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Airedale 12-21-2020 12:13 AM

1971 Sony Trinitron KV 1201
 
I picked this up tonight, it worked when initially plugged in. After the ride home, I suddenly have no picture, not even static. The sound is still fine, though the crt isn't lit up. When I shut it off I get a momentary red, green and blue bar flash horizontally across the screen, then a green dot in the center for a minute.

What should I look for when I open this up tomorrow?

https://i.ibb.co/b1SQ6hB/20201220-212720.jpg

Airedale 12-21-2020 10:26 PM

So... I can't open the case. The screws and knobs came off, yet the plug is stuck. I've laid the tv on its face and dropped a bit of gun oil into the plugs socket, hopefully it will help.

https://i.ibb.co/86PKF8t/20201221-201903.jpg

maxhifi 12-21-2020 10:42 PM

The plug will stay attached to the back, it is a safety interlock. Just pull the whole back off.

Airedale 12-21-2020 11:36 PM

Thanks :)

The case was just stuck with grime.

I'll clean up the chassis and start an inspection tomorrow. Though I still need to find a schematic for this.

https://i.ibb.co/wpNtwJV/20201221-212622.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/g6Vj48p/20201221-212423.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/RpYYTjF/20201221-212310.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/zmjK4nS/20201221-224033.jpg

zeno 12-22-2020 01:01 AM

For a manual go by the chassis number ( SCC-### ). In the
early Sony days the same model number can have a totally different
chassis in it. Sears & Magnavox did it too.

73 Zeno:smoke:
LFOD !

WISCOJIM 12-22-2020 09:45 AM

1 Attachment(s)
What's going on here?

http://www.videokarma.org/attachment...1&d=1608651909

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DavGoodlin 12-22-2020 10:55 AM

The first thing these Sony sets needed is a cleaning of all pots and any switches.

The original operation should return but until that's done, nothing will seem right.

Capacitors are usually OK or totally shot, look for bulges and excreta. Good luck.

zeno 12-22-2020 03:23 PM

Thats the main filter can on the small PS board. Looks like candle
wax to me. Not an uncommon thing to find.

73 Zeno:smoke:
LFOD !


Quote:

Originally Posted by WISCOJIM (Post 3229927)


JohnCT 12-22-2020 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavGoodlin (Post 3229929)
Capacitors are usually OK or totally shot, look for bulges and excreta. Good luck.

Funny thing about '70s electros is that they often go inert with no telltale signs like venting or spooze out of the bottom.

We had a Sony come in from another shop with all sorts of vertical issues. Working through it, I found almost every capacitor bad. The shop owner said it wasn't possible a bad electrolytic was the problem because he jumped every cap in the vertical one by one (insert loud gasp that he didn't blow this Sony up by hot jumping the caps...).

Every cap that was changed either improved or changed the vertical scan until the last one or two fixed it.

None of those caps had any outward signs of problems.

John

Airedale 12-22-2020 08:55 PM

Well I can't find anything denoting a chassis number, inside or out.

The wax that is on top of the electrolytic can seems to have dripped off of the circuit board that is above it. I've given a visual inspection of the other caps, no leaking or swollen ones to be found.

Rather than testing each cap I'll just take notes of their values and do a total recapping, I could use the soldering experience.

I've never owned a Trinitron, let alone a vintage one. I saw this set working before I brought it home, the picture was a bit blurry. Though when I got home.. the screen didn't come on, not even static, just sound.
https://i.ibb.co/cy1MfnP/20201222-183408.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/hgpDt7Q/20201222-183309.jpg

Popester 12-23-2020 01:21 PM

Look for a blown pigtail fuse. Check electrolytic caps I power supply for short or high ESR.

zeno 12-23-2020 03:44 PM

Looks like the chassis tag is on the metal above the HV
area.
Before you spend money on caps get the pix back ! Be sure the
CRT sockets on all the way 1st.
If you do a recap only do the electrolytics. Do them a few at a time
then recheck the set as you go.

73 Zeno:smoke:
LFOD !

JohnCT 12-24-2020 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeno (Post 3230009)
Before you spend money on caps get the pix back !

Bingo.

John

Airedale 12-24-2020 01:16 PM

Found the chassis number, 330ab22.

The fuse tests fine.

Made certain that the crt socket was firmly in place.

No change.

Okay, I'll order the electrolytics this weekend and go from there. I COULD just desolder the caps in the power supply and test those but.. I might as well replace those 49 year old caps, I just don't trust them.

JohnCT 12-24-2020 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airedale (Post 3230033)
Found the chassis number, 330ab22.

That sounds like the picture tube number. Sony chassis numbers start with SCC.

EDIT: I found some notes at work. I'm 99.9% sure it's a SCC17. There are a few suffixes, but they're mostly identical chassis. The notes I have on that chassis (other than routine problems like blown horiz outputs, regulators, vertical problems, etc. which I never mark down) are:


Dead - bad C513 (4.7uf/250v).
Dead - R566, Q504
No picture but *has* High Voltage - Q402 Open (2SC1364)
Weak or no horiz lock - bad C504 (1uf/50v)

All those were marked as multiple failures (I saw those specific problems 2 or more times)


John


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