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Duke1921 02-01-2022 07:54 PM

Best transistor cross reference?
 
What the best way to cross reference a Sony transistor? I’ve been using Digikey for parts and the Sony part number from the service manual doesn’t show up on their site. Thanks.

ARC Tech-109 02-02-2022 09:12 AM

What's the actual number on the transistor itself or where's it located in what model Sony? The service manual part number is most likely their in-house and not on DigiKey or Mouser

Electronic M 02-02-2022 12:11 PM

If you get the Sam's for it Sam's often lists NTE equivalents. You don't want to use NTE equivalents in the sweep stages as some Sony's are picky about what parts will work in those stages, but for signal stages the NTE should be fine.

Doug 02-02-2022 01:40 PM

I like this site even reverse search nte ecg
http://matthieu.benoit.free.fr/cross.htm

zeno 02-02-2022 02:44 PM

Sony has 2 numbers you can try.
First is the generic off the part ex. 2SC867-?? often marked
C867-??.
Actual Sony numbers are long ex. 1-###-###-##
On a lot of parts it will have a partial number.
A Sams or OEM manual helps.
Sony IS very fussy about subs. Never sub any in the Hoz / HV
semis especially before the 80's.

73 Zeno:smoke:
LFOD !

Duke1921 02-02-2022 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARC Tech-109 (Post 3239207)
What's the actual number on the transistor itself or where's it located in what model Sony? The service manual part number is most likely their in-house and not on DigiKey or Mouser

2SC1127 is the Sony part number. It’s in a Sony KV 1214 Trinitron. Thanks for your help.

Duke1921 02-02-2022 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeno (Post 3239214)
Sony has 2 numbers you can try.
First is the generic off the part ex. 2SC867-?? often marked
C867-??.
Actual Sony numbers are long ex. 1-###-###-##
On a lot of parts it will have a partial number.
A Sams or OEM manual helps.
Sony IS very fussy about subs. Never sub any in the Hoz / HV
semis especially before the 80's.

73 Zeno:smoke:
LFOD !

Great info. I really appreciate your input.

Duke1921 02-02-2022 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug (Post 3239212)
I like this site even reverse search nte ecg
http://matthieu.benoit.free.fr/cross.htm

Awesome - thanks!

Duke1921 02-02-2022 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Electronic M (Post 3239210)
If you get the Sam's for it Sam's often lists NTE equivalents. You don't want to use NTE equivalents in the sweep stages as some Sony's are picky about what parts will work in those stages, but for signal stages the NTE should be fine.

Thank you very much for the input

Duke1921 02-05-2022 08:34 PM

So I found an app called NTE quickcross. I used it to buy a replacement for the Sony 2SC1127 that I’m pretty sure is toast. Is that a reliable means to find replacement transistors? Thanks,

Duke1921 02-05-2022 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Electronic M (Post 3239210)
If you get the Sam's for it Sam's often lists NTE equivalents. You don't want to use NTE equivalents in the sweep stages as some Sony's are picky about what parts will work in those stages, but for signal stages the NTE should be fine.

It’s for the Blue Chroma. In your opinion, is the NTE replacement ok for this application? Thanks so much.

Electronic M 02-05-2022 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke1921 (Post 3239292)
It’s for the Blue Chroma. In your opinion, is the NTE replacement ok for this application? Thanks so much.

It'll probably be fine. It's the horizontal stage that's usually picky about genuine Sony.

zeno 02-06-2022 08:57 AM

The trouble makers are the hoz output. Its called a gate controlled switch.
They are marked SG-### and are on a heat sink on the HV board.
It takes nothing to blow one & some other parts. Finding the actual
cause is sometimes imposable. When I was at Sony service they would
often change the whole HV board to get one right. That was the mid 70's
and almost nobody would touch one. Those that did charged $125 + parts
sometimes the bill went over $200, a lot back then. My 76 Coupe DeVille
was only about $8000 new IIRC ! And that was a REAL Caddy:thmbsp:

On your 2SC1127 you should be OK BUT on older sets you did have to use
the OEM or the color didnt look right. They even had a bulletin on it.
Cross that bridge if you come to it.

73 Zeno:smoke:
LFOD !

AlanInSitges 02-06-2022 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeno (Post 3239301)
The trouble makers are the hoz output. Its called a gate controlled switch.
They are marked SG-### and are on a heat sink on the HV board.
It takes nothing to blow one & some other parts. Finding the actual
cause is sometimes imposable. When I was at Sony service they would
often change the whole HV board to get one right. That was the mid 70's
and almost nobody would touch one. Those that did charged $125 + parts
sometimes the bill went over $200, a lot back then.

73 Zeno:smoke:
LFOD !

A while back Shango had one of these that kept eating all of the semiconductors in the HO section. After lots of back and forth he tracked it down to a broken - what do you call it, wire? bracket? clamp? - through the flyback core. I can't remember the whole reason this caused it to happen; it was a really complicated circuit.

zeno 02-06-2022 02:05 PM

Watched that & communicated with him. It was a broken U-bolt on the FBT.
Holds the ferrite core halves together. Without it the resonant freq goes off
& you would see garbage on the drain of the SG. Normal wave form would be one big clean spike. Normal transistors in Hoz out can also instant destruct &
sometimes cause a chain reaction BUT most the time there are easy ways to
fix them. The real bad ones were the 17" sets with the controls along the bottom. At the time they were the BEST you could get. The first runs had TWO SG-613's one for hoz out & one in the power supply. A nightmare.
So to Shangos set. Cost was the big thing In the day SG-613 = $25,
OEM damper $8, OEM 2SC867 $12. Add a C-note for labor. A few weeks
later the customer hears a click & everything is blown again. You
have to eat the SG613 as Sony WILL NOT warranty them ( along with
video heads, some clocks & other things).

Nuff fer now, always a pleasure Alan.
LFOD !


Quote:

Originally Posted by AlanInSitges (Post 3239306)
A while back Shango had one of these that kept eating all of the semiconductors in the HO section. After lots of back and forth he tracked it down to a broken - what do you call it, wire? bracket? clamp? - through the flyback core. I can't remember the whole reason this caused it to happen; it was a really complicated circuit.



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