[timmy]

ok got the video, yes they look like that with each line a different color and if i move the contrast i can make them almost not there. the vert hold if i make it roll there is lines but they are lines with dots on the right side they are somewhat different them the color lines that are there all the time. i thought the retrace lines are the ones that the lines go half way across the screen towards the right and at the right they end with what looks like dots. but just a still pic yes those are the lines im talking about, lol ,lol. so ill have to concentrate on a verticle issue weather cap and or resistors. i tried another vert output tube and was no change so i ruled that out. thanks for that video it was very helpful. oh and by the way the set on this page is the very one with all these issues,lol,lol....