Emerson TV, Can't Figure out What Year This Is?

[Magnavox300]

Bought this neat EMERSON console over the weekend for $80...
It's pretty cool looking, a little big, but still in nice shape!

No picture at first, then I cleaned all the tubes, moved around the anode wire,
and at least a decent picture on the screen.
Radio works and speakers sound great, phono works, but of course,
everything needs restoring; lot's of capacitors in there.

Looking around, I can't find any model#, other than "ELDORADO" on the tuner glass...
Anyone know what year this is from? My guess was about '63, but the more I look at it, the style appears more mid to late 50's.

Was it a good set back in the day?

[Eric H]

Looks like a 23" screen? I would say early 60's also, it's Stereo which makes it no earlier than 1959 and FM Stereo didn't start till 1961.

If there are any original Emerson tubes in it they will probably have date codes on them that could be deciphered, sometimes CRT's have the date printed right on the tag.

[Magnavox300]

Originally Posted by Eric H

Looks like a 23" screen? I would say early 60's also, it's Stereo which makes it no earlier than 1959 and FM Stereo didn't start till 1961.

If there are any original Emerson tubes in it they will probably have date codes on them that could be deciphered, sometimes CRT's have the date printed right on the tag.

You were right, a 23" screen.
That information helped me to find an old add from a '63 newspaper with the same model, minus some extra trim it had.
Thanks for the help!

[truetone36]

That's a nice Glaser-Steers changer in there.

[Username1]

Hey that's a nice tv/stereo !
I like Emerson stuff, be interested in seeing more pictures as you get into
the restoration......

Good luck !

[Marco-nix]

Originally Posted by Username1

Hey that's a nice tv/stereo !
I like Emerson stuff, be interested in seeing more pictures as you get into
the restoration......

Good luck !

Yes old Emerson stuffs is good but the recent models , not at all..

[Electronic M]

I wonder if it has a stereo simulcast tuner (which allowed one to tune AM and FM simultaneously and direct one to one speaker and the other to the remaining speaker) if so that would likely place it before 1961. As that was the stereo transmission 'standard' before FM stereo came into being.

[kramden66]

i see the selector says am , fm , am fm , so you are probably right it probably tunes am and fm at the same time

[Reece]

Yes, and the AM and FM tuning knobs are separate, so it would work on the old simulcast system which was an experiment for a couple of years. AM out of one speaker, FM out of the other.

[Magnavox300]

Thanks guys, very cool learning about the simulcast tuner!
I will have to check out tuning in both AM and FM at the same time...
I would have never known about it.

Well, I took out the chassis today, cleaned 50 years of dust, and started recapping.
This has two high voltage axial paper caps I can't seem to find:
a .0039 1000V and a .022 1600V

Where can I find these?
I know I need the 1000 volts or more,
but does anyone know if there is a more common UF value I can substitute?

[Jeffhs]

Originally Posted by Magnavox300

Thanks guys, very cool learning about the simulcast tuner!
I will have to check out tuning in both AM and FM at the same time...
I would have never known about it.

So-called "AM-FM stereo" was a very crude attempt at reproducing stereo sound on radio. The AM station carried the left channel of the program, while the FM station carried the right channel of the same program. I never heard the system in operation (by the time I was old enough to care about it, the present-day stereo-multiplex FM system had superseded the AM-FM one), but I can imagine it probably had its share of problems, one of which being that, if you were not within listening range of both the AM and FM stations, the stereo effect would be ruined. The stereo multiplex system in use today is much better, but you still must be within listening range (normally not more than 30 miles) of the station to get decent stereo separation.

About the only thing you will get today if you try to tune in both AM and FM simultaneously on your console's radio tuner in "AM-FM" mode will be separate programs on both bands, even from AM and FM stations operated by the same media group or broadcasting company.

I'd keep that console, however, since it is a collectors' item by virtue of the AM-FM stereo capability of the radio tuner. There probably aren't many of those left, as they were probably scrapped when the TV went bad (bad flyback, CRT, etc.) and the owner got a true hi-fi system and separate TV, probably a small portable.

[Magnavox300]

Just bought some NOS Spragues and Black Cat caps for the .022 1600V, and the .0039 1000V. I found a .004 to replace the .0039.
I could have bought Orange drop caps close to those values, not sure if they would be
better, just as good, or not as good. They were about the same in price as the vintage axials.

[Eric H]

Mouser has them in 1600 volts, if you bought old stock Black Beauties I wouldn't use them.

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/...4NPat0RHZi0%3d

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/...bMtnYDelfS4%3d

[Magnavox300]

Originally Posted by Eric H

Mouser has them in 1600 volts, if you bought old stock Black Beauties I wouldn't use them.

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/...4NPat0RHZi0%3d

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/...bMtnYDelfS4%3d

I thought as much...
I suppose it's crazy to do all this work, and take a chance with vintage caps;
Just bought the ones you suggested from Mouser...

I'm assuming It's totally fine to use the higher 1600V to substitute the .0039 1000V?

Thanks for the links!!

[Tubejunke]

Originally Posted by Magnavox300

I thought as much...
I suppose it's crazy to do all this work, and take a chance with vintage caps;
Just bought the ones you suggested from Mouser...

I'm assuming It's totally fine to use the higher 1600V to substitute the .0039 1000V?

Thanks for the links!!

Yes, with capacitors always remember equal or larger working voltage is fine, or better in some cases. Your case for instance; the engineers called for a 1Kv cap and you pop in the 1.6K. Obviously the larger value caps are going to be more rugged and possibly hold out a bit better. On the down side, doing this across the board of all of your replacements would be non cost efficient.

As well you can go larger on the capacitance value, but you don't want to change that a whole lot. Much depends on the circuit really. The main thing is NEVER go lower with your values.