Videokarma.org

Go Back   Videokarma.org TV - Video - Vintage Television & Radio Forums > Solid State CRT Televisions

Notices

We appreciate your help

in keeping this site going.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-19-2019, 09:26 PM
vortalexfan vortalexfan is offline
VideoKarma Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Northern Indiana
Posts: 1,985
1970s J. C. Penney 19" Color TV issues

Hello everyone, earlier today I had picked up from a local electronics recycling facility/computer store a 1970s vintage solid state J. C. Penney 19" Portable Color TV that when I got it home to try it out everything on it except the picture worked on it, it has audio and the channel selector lights work and everything.

When I turn on or off the TV I see the colors wash across the screen like it was showing some sort of picture but when the set is actually one or powered on the screen is completely blank, no snow or anything.

Any ideas as to what could be wrong with this TV?

Also who made this TV for J. C. Penney? It says Made in Japan on the back of the set.

Pictures of the set in question posted below.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 20191119_221837.jpg (64.7 KB, 85 views)
File Type: jpg 20191119_221804.jpg (72.8 KB, 68 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-19-2019, 09:33 PM
Electronic M's Avatar
Electronic M Electronic M is offline
M is for Memory
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Pewaukee/Delafield Wi
Posts: 15,432
Odds are it is missing G2 voltage or one of the other elements common to all 3 guns is not getting power.

Time to check voltages against CRT datasheet or schematic.
__________________
Tom C.

Zenith: The quality stays in EVEN after the name falls off!
What I want. --> http://www.videokarma.org/showpost.p...62&postcount=4
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-19-2019, 09:38 PM
vortalexfan vortalexfan is offline
VideoKarma Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Northern Indiana
Posts: 1,985
Quote:
Originally Posted by Electronic M View Post
Odds are it is missing G2 voltage or one of the other elements common to all 3 guns is not getting power.

Time to check voltages against CRT datasheet or schematic.
It does have a service switch on the back which I can't tell if its in the normal position or if its in the service position.

Also I don't know who made this set for J. C. Penney or what the model number is so I'm not sure if I'll be able to find any service data on this set.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-20-2019, 07:07 AM
zeno's Avatar
zeno zeno is offline
VideoKarma Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 4,918
The set is a Panasonic.
If you have audio ( hiss) but a total black pix you have a video
problem. Try cleaning the service switch, I thing it has one.
Also try turning up the G-2 a little. After that it gets "interesting".
Post a few chassis pixs also.

73 Zeno
LFOD !
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-20-2019, 07:15 AM
vortalexfan vortalexfan is offline
VideoKarma Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Northern Indiana
Posts: 1,985
Quote:
Originally Posted by zeno View Post
The set is a Panasonic.
If you have audio ( hiss) but a total black pix you have a video
problem. Try cleaning the service switch, I thing it has one.
Also try turning up the G-2 a little. After that it gets "interesting".
Post a few chassis pixs also.

73 Zeno

LFOD !
Yes it does have a service switch, but it's only accessible with the back cover off oddly enough (it only has a small slit in the cover for it).

Is this a fairly early solid state set like my Sylvania is?

And what do you mean by it gets "interesting"?
Reply With Quote
Audiokarma
  #6  
Old 11-21-2019, 08:29 AM
zeno's Avatar
zeno zeno is offline
VideoKarma Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 4,918
The set has no crazy circuit designs so easy to deal with. You may need
a manual, what is the model number ?
Most likely set has low G-1. Normally it adjusts from abt 200-800 VDC
with abt 400 V for a normal picture.

73 Zeno
LFOD !
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-09-2019, 02:47 AM
MadMan's Avatar
MadMan MadMan is offline
The Resident Brony
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Chicago
Posts: 1,218
Perhaps the vacation switch would turn off the remote receiver?
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-09-2019, 08:05 AM
zeno's Avatar
zeno zeno is offline
VideoKarma Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 4,918
One of these ! Very nice set. Its a delta tube so has 3) G-2
controls one for each color. Not sure but it may have separate
outputs for hoz sweep & HV. Do you have HV ?? Also find
that model number & it may have a chassis number on a white tag.

73 Zeno
LFOD !
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-09-2019, 08:40 AM
vortalexfan vortalexfan is offline
VideoKarma Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Northern Indiana
Posts: 1,985
Quote:
Originally Posted by zeno View Post
One of these ! Very nice set. Its a delta tube so has 3) G-2
controls one for each color. Not sure but it may have separate
outputs for hoz sweep & HV. Do you have HV ?? Also find
that model number & it may have a chassis number on a white tag.

73 Zeno
LFOD !
Ok, will take a look.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-09-2019, 09:35 AM
old_tv_nut's Avatar
old_tv_nut old_tv_nut is offline
See yourself on Color TV!
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Rancho Sahuarita
Posts: 7,745
Quote:
Originally Posted by zeno View Post
... Not sure but it may have separate
outputs for hoz sweep & HV. ...
73 Zeno
LFOD !
Interesting - first I've heard of a consumer set with separate H sweep and high voltage. Only ones I ever saw were broadcast monitors, with both sweep and HV regulated individually so no size modulation with brightness.
__________________
www.bretl.com
Old TV literature, New York World's Fair, and other miscellany
Reply With Quote
Audiokarma
  #11  
Old 12-09-2019, 10:57 AM
zeno's Avatar
zeno zeno is offline
VideoKarma Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 4,918
Quote:
Originally Posted by old_tv_nut View Post
Interesting - first I've heard of a consumer set with separate H sweep and high voltage. Only ones I ever saw were broadcast monitors, with both sweep and HV regulated individually so no size modulation with brightness.
Sony did it before the SG613 sets. Panasonic & I think a few more
also did. Very short lived design from the early 70's but it did work good.

73 Zeno
LFOD !
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 12-10-2019, 11:42 AM
old_tv_nut's Avatar
old_tv_nut old_tv_nut is offline
See yourself on Color TV!
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Rancho Sahuarita
Posts: 7,745
Quote:
Originally Posted by zeno View Post
Sony did it before the SG613 sets. Panasonic & I think a few more
also did. Very short lived design from the early 70's but it did work good.

73 Zeno
LFOD !
thanks for the info!
__________________
www.bretl.com
Old TV literature, New York World's Fair, and other miscellany
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 12-09-2019, 06:05 PM
vortalexfan vortalexfan is offline
VideoKarma Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Northern Indiana
Posts: 1,985
Quote:
Originally Posted by zeno View Post
One of these ! Very nice set. Its a delta tube so has 3) G-2
controls one for each color. Not sure but it may have separate
outputs for hoz sweep & HV. Do you have HV ?? Also find
that model number & it may have a chassis number on a white tag.

73 Zeno
LFOD !
OK I think I found the chassis number tag and also the model number as well, both on a small white tag affixed to the chassis frame.
See picture below for the tag in question.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg DSCF5011.JPG (112.9 KB, 25 views)
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 12-11-2019, 12:25 PM
old_tv_nut's Avatar
old_tv_nut old_tv_nut is offline
See yourself on Color TV!
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Rancho Sahuarita
Posts: 7,745
G2 = "screen grid." Although it's in the same order of electrodes as a screen grid (second grid) in a small signal tube, it doesn't perform the same function (screening the control grid [grid 1] from capacitive coupling to the plate) in a CRT. Instead, it is used for setting the cutoff point of voltage between the cathode and G1.
__________________
www.bretl.com
Old TV literature, New York World's Fair, and other miscellany
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:16 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
©Copyright 2012 VideoKarma.org, All rights reserved.