Looking for the largest direct-view CRT, the Sony Trinitron PVM-4300

[vol.2]

Originally Posted by MIPS

Speaking from 20 years of computer collecting there are a lot of places that declare themselves as museums where the actual exhibit hall is tiny compared to the long-term storage.

All museums that I am personally aware of have vastly larger storage than exhibit space. That's perfectly normal.

The Smithsonian is not an institution that specializes in the preservation of 20th century electronics. There exists reputable museums that could care for and display a set like this. I think that would be a better fate for it.

[Electronic M]

Some museums aren't as bad as others but there's plenty of one of a kind stuff that hasn't been on display in my lifetime sitting in museum storage that the public can't even see in a YouTube video.

If private collectors are the only ones making an effort to preserve this stuff then they deserve to have it. There's plenty of museums that could have done the research and leg work to find and save it and beat him to it, but they didn't, and if preserving it were left to them that set would definitely hit e-waste already. May still end up in a museum eventually....One either contacts him and offers him a big wad of cash, or years down the road he gets tired of it, looses storage space or something and donates it to one...Hell if he sells it someday a museum may end up the high bidder.

I stand by the gist of my statement that a party that appreciates it for what it is and is willing to put money into it's preservation and maintenance is better than it hitting E-waste.

[vol.2]

Originally Posted by Electronic M

I stand by the gist of my statement that a party that appreciates it for what it is and is willing to put money into it's preservation and maintenance is better than it hitting E-waste.

I agree with that.

I don't agree that anyone "deserves" to have anything. Applying deservedness is a sticky business.

I also agree that some museums are better than others, but that doesn't preclude the existence of responsible museums dedicated to the preservation of electronic history. Aside from the AMMI, we have a great local museum in Hunt Valley here in the Baltimore area that has loads of great stuff all out on display, and the keeper of the museum is working to get things running so the public can experience them.

You can't say that "there are some bad museums" therefore "a museum shouldn't have it;" that's absolute plastics.

[Electronic M]

Originally Posted by vol.2

You can't say that "there are some bad museums" therefore "a museum shouldn't have it;" that's absolute plastics.

I never said that.
However if it were my set and I had to choose between a meh level museum that is getting it to store and not display, and a collector that's going to give it the maintenance it needs to get it back to working to specification and publicly document the set so others can appreciate it I'd choose the collector. I grant that a good museum that will preserve and display it is probably a better place for it to be.

I've never seen anyone use "plastics" in a sentence besides as a way to broadly refer to all materials commonly refered to as plastic... that's a new one one me.

[vol.2]

Originally Posted by Electronic M

I never said that.

Apologies, there were other people in the conversation I was responding to. I didn't make that clear.

There was a general statement made that implied it was the case. Not something you said.

I've never seen anyone use "plastics" in a sentence besides as a way to broadly refer to all materials commonly refered to as plastic... that's a new one one me.

Yes, as in "bending information to fit your hypothesis."

[init4fun]

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[kf4rca]

Here's a Toshiba 40" on the side of the road. It was totally trashed. Broke my heart.

[init4fun]

Originally Posted by kf4rca

Here's a Toshiba 40" on the side of the road. It was totally trashed. Broke my heart.

It's gotten to be that those (CRT TVs) are truly never seen being thrown away like that where I live, it's always flat TVs, and the trash service won't pick them up just like they wouldn't pick up the CRT TVs back when they were still around. So the flat screens sit at the side of the road till the town issues the property owner where they are a citation to get rid of their junk, and then they have to pay both the citation AND the extra removal fee to get rid of them. And no, taping a piece of white paper to the screen with "FREE" scrawled across it don't get them a free pass either, it usually takes a couple to three weeks for the town to issue the citation and then it's usually gone pretty quick after that.

There are 4 or 5 trash removal services one can contract with in town (the town doesn't itself run it, it's all private contract now) and every one of the trash removal companies specifically state in the contract that TVs, large appliances, and large furniture are not part of the contract, ya gotta pay extra and make a special appointment to have such items removed.....

[kf4rca]

Wow, that's pretty tough. Our township is not quite so difficult. The county does the trash pickup. But large items like appliances are picked up by Mexican junk recyclers. Tires and paint are not picked up at all. TV's and computers are usually picked up by enthusiasts like us. Yard waste is picked up by a private contractor for the county. (Burning is not allowed.)

[Electronic M]

Out here the trash won't take electronics but will take furniture (within reason) the town doesn't care what's on your lawn... There's been 3 BPCs that have sat outside for a whole year recently. After they've had a few months to fail to find a home I take the HV cable degaussing coil and HV caps for parts. The handful of people who either don't like TVs in their yard or live in apartments dump their sets in farm fields and ditches nearby...If you try and make people pay for something that used to be free they'll get around paying for it in the ways you least desire...
In my case if I have a junk BPC set (I try to avoid anything that new) or loose CRT, I smash the tube and cabinet to bits seal it in one or more cardboard boxes small enough to slip into the regular house hold trash bags that also have household garbage in them and trick the garbage men into taking it that way.

[ChrisW6ATV]

Originally Posted by Electronic M

I smash... to bits... small enough to slip into the regular house hold trash...

Yes! I threw away my house's entire old layer of shingles that way, when I replaced its roof about 10 years ago or so. A pile of them to fill 80% of the can each week, covered with the one bag or so of actual trash I typically have, for a couple of months or so, and the big pile was gone.

If you're familiar with the first generation of Sony 26-inch console TV sets (KV-2642R, KV-2644R, KV-2645R if I remember right) that had really short-lived CRTs, someone gave me a white one in about 1992, and after I gave up trying to do anything to help its CRT, I busted the entire set (that had a cracked and yellowed cabinet) into pieces and "threw it in the trash" over a couple of weeks or so.

"Go to the dump?" "That's what we pay those guys in the trucks to do for us."

[etype2]

Did not see the video until today.

The saga of YouTuber, Shank Mods efforts to recover one of the few remaining Sony KX45ED-1 televisions, a truly herculean effort indeed. Thanks to all involved in the rescue. All the images shown in the recovery video of this magnificent set were of video games. Gamers love CRT sets for zero lag response. In this authors opinion, watching animated cartoons bores the hell out of me. This set deserves better.

https://youtu.be/JfZxOuc9Qwk?si=tejmtQHsjLOXecKZ

[init4fun]

TBH I'm kinda surprised Bottom1 (the OP of this thread) hasn't weighed in here regarding the finding of this previously thought to be extinct TV

[Electronic M]

Originally Posted by init4fun

TBH I'm kinda surprised Bottom1 (the OP of this thread) hasn't weighed in here regarding the finding of this previously thought to be extinct TV

In the video Shank Mods talks about trolling forums looking for that set only to post finding it soon after...I kinda wonder if bottom1 was one of the troll accounts Shank created or how he contacted Charles Murray (some of his old videokarma posts were shown in the video)...

[ARC Tech-109]

I have the Panasonic CT34WX54 widescreen CRT set and know what it weighs so I can't imagine what that overgrown Trinitron would be. I caught a YouTube video on that monster and can't even fathom moving it without a forklift.