15GP22 Owner Pole

[Dondon]

I think that trying to price now before success is acheived would be misleading. We do not know whether the answers are from collectors with duds. Can you use Pete's list with personal contacts to get a better results?

Perhaps you do some cost analysis with projected time and material costs, add profits and mark that up to a market price.

To answer your question--Probably far north of $1000. I have 6 under vacuum and sealed ready to send. Is the gun rebuilding process with new fils solved?

JF knows where I am....

[ohohyodafarted]

Originally Posted by Dondon

I think that trying to price now before success is acheived would be misleading. We do not know whether the answers are from collectors with duds. Can you use Pete's list with personal contacts to get a better results?

Perhaps you do some cost analysis with projected time and material costs, add profits and mark that up to a market price.

To answer your question--Probably far north of $1000. I have 6 under vacuum and sealed ready to send. Is the gun rebuilding process with new fils solved?

JF knows where I am....

The issues with rebuilding the guns have been resolved. We have a high tech method of removing the old cathodes from the G1 grid cup, and we have spoken to a manufacturer of electron guns and they have given us a price to install new cathodes and filimements and mount the rebuilt guns on the new glass stems that we are having manufactured. The glass stems are due to be shipped to us within the week.

So the answer to your question is YES, we have solved the issues with getting the guns rebuilt.

Not realy interested in parsing Pete's list. This informal poll will have to do.

We already know what we will need to charge to make this a viable undertaking, and to put it mildly "IT ANIN'T GONNA BE CHEAP" And not because we are trying to make a pile of money doing this. Our costs, for all of the oursourcing, are EXTREMELY HIGH. I would guess only the most serious of tv collectors will be willing to anti up for a rebuild.

I would think we will publicly announce a price to rebuild, after we have achieved a reasonable degree of success. Until that time it is premature to even anounce an estimate of the rebuild price.

We are just trying to get a feel for what 15GP22 dud owners are willing to pay in order to have their tube rebuilt. We are trying to see if there are any collectors who are serious enough to lay the kind of money on the line, that John Folsom and I are investing into this project. Anyone who is not as serious as we are, will be left sitting by the wayside with their dead 15GP22's, while the serious among us will be getting tubes rebuilt. (assuming we are successful, and if we aren't, then all bets are off)

So put a price tag on your tubes. Pretend you are in a bidding war on ebay, and you only have one shot to snipe your rebuild at the last second of the auction. So you determine what the maximum price is, that are willing to pay, and you submit your bid. You draw a line in the sand, and that is the absolute most you are willing to pay. One cent more and you say "that's too much for me"

Are you beginning to get the picture??? I am looking for the actual MAXIMUM dollar amount that that a 15GP22 dud owner is willing to pay, not some wishy washy ballpark estimate. I am looking for a solid "I will pay this much, and not a penny more" type of statement.

Furthermore, John Folsom and I have discussed the pricing issue, and we have come to the conclusion that if no one else is willing to pay what this is going to cost, then John and I will rebuild our tubes, and that will be the end of the project. Just what do you think the value of a rare, rebuilt 15GP22 with emmission like NOS is going to be worth on the open market? Is everyone getting a clearer picture now?


Bob

[eberts]

"open market" ?
Sounds like you got a fever.
Your project has been tried before, when parts were available, decades ago.
The "collectors" were unwilling to pay a reasonable price then, what makes you think they are going to spend thousands now?
Maybe a so called "serious" collector would, however the historical value of a museum piece would diminish.
I wonder if these hobbiests will start killing each other when there are only 2 functional 15G's left in the world ?

[ohohyodafarted]

Eberts,

Your comments are unwelcome and without any merit!

FYI RCA was rebuilding 15GP22's. We have the physical evidence to prove it.

Material science has advanced since the "last attempt" and we believe we have at least a 50/50 chance of success.

As for my "fever", my temperature is quite normal. And at 61 I have conquered far more formidable projects than this one. There is never any guarantee of success when you start a project like this. I am one of the fortunate in this world that have the "Right Stuff" Your comments lead me to suspect that you do not!

In any event there are those out there that I have spoken to who are ready to anti-up for a rebuild if we are successful.

[kbmuri]

Originally Posted by ohohyodafarted

Just what do you think the value of a rare, rebuilt 15GP22 with emmission like NOS is going to be worth on the open market?

Whatever the open market brings for it. Just that simple.

Originally Posted by eberts

Sounds like you got a fever.

eberts is somewhat famous here for being an abrasive buzzkill who doesn't contribute anything positive. I'm rather loathe to admit it, but I agree with him on this one. You've gotten several estimates from people who have 15GP22's and it's looking like somewhere between $1000 and $2000 is the magic number. Apparently that's not the answer you want to hear. So for some reason you've decided to rant and scold your potential customer base (as wishy-washy and unable to comprehend the "clearer picture") instead of accepting the number as given. Maybe not a "fever", but odd behavior nonetheless.

Rebuild a tube. Demonstrate it has 100% emission on all guns. Prove it won't leak air for a warranty period equal to a NOS tube (35 years). Show it working with vivid colors. List it on eBay and the AK classifieds and AntiqueRadios and on the ETF site. And demand a rebuildable core 15GP22 trade-in or no deal. See what you get.

No need to take a "pole"[sic] for that answer. That's the "open market" at work.

If it makes money, do it. If it doesn't make money but you want to be somebody important and famous by preserving history, do it anyway. If you can't afford that, don't do it.

That's your simple answer. Like it or not.

[Pete Deksnis]

BTW Eberts, as the caretaker of two functional 15GP22's, I shall certainly be on my guard against other hobbyists looking to snuff me over those bottles

But seriously, no one is pretending this is anything but an opportunity for a very small universe. It will be expensive to pull off. To put it in perspective, since I bought my first CT-100 when I was 23-years-old I have also bought no less than 16 new cars. What's 3000 dollars more if I can get my first 15G glowing again?

Pete

[Robert Grant]

I'm a little curious about all the hub-bub over "full gamut phosphors" in the 15GP22.
I've had the experience recently of being able to watch a 15GP22 set in action (not an RCA CT-100, rather a Westinghouse), and did not notice anything special about the color (I could not adjust the color myself, however).

Rob

[old_tv_nut]

Originally Posted by Robert Grant

I'm a little curious about all the hub-bub over "full gamut phosphors" in the 15GP22.
I've had the experience recently of being able to watch a 15GP22 set in action (not an RCA CT-100, rather a Westinghouse), and did not notice anything special about the color (I could not adjust the color myself, however).

Rob

To make a long story sort, the major difference from a modern phosphor set (besides being considerably dimmer) is that the green is less yellow and more "kelly green" - this gives the possibility of a wider range of green and blue-green saturated colors.

[WA3WLJ]

Which is dimmer,the modern or the 15GP22 ? Also, which is more yellow?
THANKS.

[ohohyodafarted]

Originally Posted by old_tv_nut

To make a long story sort, the major difference from a modern phosphor set (besides being considerably dimmer) is that the green is less yellow and more "kelly green" - this gives the possibility of a wider range of green and blue-green saturated colors.

And thusly, a 15GP22 looks more like true Technicolor motion picture film. I saw Pete Deksnis' CT100 in person, which he has set up better than any CT100 I have seen. The color on Pete's set will knock your socks off if you are viewing the right program material.

If you are reading this post Pete, perhaps you could give us a list of those special DVD's you have that were digitally remastered from the original Technicolor masters, and maybe some links as to where these special DVD's can be purchased.

Pete also has an adapter on his CT100 that allows you to run the set as a "monitor" and bypass the tuning section so you can drive the set directly from the video of your DVD player. I think the video adapter is a great mod and when I get my sets up and running, the video adapter mod will be high on my list of things to do.

Bob