Have you tried our sister site ?

[grumpy]

Originally Posted by AUdubon5425

I don't want to color my perceptions of the fine folks here by knowing their political stances (not that it makes a difference.) That's one thing I really appreciate about VK and AK - the common decency regardless of the members' political or religious beliefs.

And its for this very reason that we host www.politicalchat.org

Its best to leave the political debates there and keep the hobby, and "fun" posts here.

Grumpy