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Old 08-05-2015, 08:05 AM
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so the horz lock is a problem now? I thought you had it so it would stay locked with 1/2 turn either way?

fyi, as long as you are having horz sync is issues its pointless to work on the color sync, they are related. You need to get the horz working 1st.
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Old 08-05-2015, 08:30 AM
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IF we are back to horz lock issues, a few things to consider.

AGC, keyed agc is always good for tough dogs. Make sure you check C405 a
.22 uf cap used to filter the AGC.

Note where the AGC pot is set (top of chassis near the chroma section). when having lock problems try adj just a bit if no improvement put it back to the starting position.

the deal is if the AGC in noisy or incorrectly set (cap or pot setting) then the IF amp gets whacky and does odd things with the signal, clipping etc..

this results messed up sync signals (they are the 1st thing to get clipped in the IF amp).

The normal approach to checking this would be to attach a bias box to the AGC line and manually provide the bias needed for the IF amp. Since you don't have a bias box we have to assume the most likely suspect (after the tube) and go right to the AGC filter cap.

An alternate to the bias box is a scope on the agc line set to read DC. adjusting the pot should raise or lower the DC bias from the output of the AGC supply AND the voltage should be clean DC with no "grass". the grass is a result of the loss of filtering.

I presume you have replaced the C405 in on of you mass recappings already so this may not be an issue.

Another possibility again assuming you are still having issues with horz hold and the issue is a very critical hold range of the pot (only a few degrees of adj from flopping one way to sync to flopping the other (which is NOT what you have described so I only mention for future reference) is the 68k resistor that p's with the horz hold coil. I presume its a Q killer to soften up the peak of the coil.
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Old 08-05-2015, 09:17 AM
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I do believe I did replace the agc filtering cap. The horizontal lock has gotten progressively worse with now less than a quarter turn on both sides to lose sync.
Will probe around with a scope and make a bias box.
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Old 08-05-2015, 09:30 AM
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just for fun try this a quick and easy thing.

find the 68k resistor on the horz board, read the value, it should be very low prob in 10's of ohms since its connected across the horz adj coil.


Once you have found that resistor, connect up one in parallel another 68kish will be fine. See if that has any effect on the horz hold control, you want that to be a lot broader of an adjustment. Just use some jumpers to hook it up, no need to break out the soldering iron or remove anything. Be careful when using jumpers, you don't want to short out anything.

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Old 08-05-2015, 10:02 AM
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this is generally the 1st thing I do if I think the sync is an issue.

Note this assume the osc is not the issue (can flop both ways)

Note the use of tube socket extenders so work can be done from above with the set on.

watch this to better understand the function of the sync separator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Flg5LwBadHI
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