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Old 08-25-2022, 05:22 PM
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Yes you could. However you will hear the audio as you are tuning the slug long before you will have anything intelligible on the meter. Further you can hear when it is tuned as you will be tuning between the two distortion peaks if the discriminator is properly aligned for a perfect s response. The alignment remains suspect now because the settings have been changed. But even if the alignment is bad, you should hear something.

So the first rudimentary step is to try and bring the local oscillator back in line. I suspect a simple swap around of the tubes will yield some audio. Then we can focus on its precise final adjustment.

Which reminds me that split sound TV tuning is no different from an FM radio tuning which uses the discriminatory circuit. That is as you approach the correct tuning, the audio builds in level, becomes distorted then the loudest and clearest audio is received. Tuning further you reach a second distortion peak and the audio clears and is weaker. Many forget that either side of the best audio point is slope detection which is weaker and slightly distorted.

But here, we first need to hear any audio and the home in on it.
I'm with you guys listening in earnest. I will do the tube swapping later this evening as I'm working late today. I have about a dozen 6J6 tubes so I can spend the next 2 days doing tube swaps if that's what's needed. We'll see. I'll update in a few hours. Thanks again so much for the interest and help!
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Old 08-25-2022, 06:51 PM
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Cool. If you have a whole bunch, you'll have a better chance of finding one that works. Of course the tube shield must be on the tube for if it is missing, it too can cause the tuning to be way off.
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Old 08-25-2022, 07:58 PM
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Cool. If you have a whole bunch, you'll have a better chance of finding one that works. Of course the tube shield must be on the tube for if it is missing, it too can cause the tuning to be way off.
Been swapping for about an hour...no change. I'm going to double check my audio input test just to be certain I'm getting what I said I was getting from the volume control forward.
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You are getting a picture? What are you feeding the set?
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Old 08-26-2022, 03:51 AM
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You are getting a picture? What are you feeding the set?
Leader LCG-396 pattern generator crosshatch and 1KHz tone through coax into a 75 ohm to 300 ohm adapter to the 300 ohm antenna wire into the set. Picture is fine...just no noteworthy sound. Maybe I've got a bad tube socket in the tuner? I'll check. I've wiggled them but I'll clean them and take a closer look. We had talked about pin voltages in the audio IF before. Is there anything to gain by doing that at this point?

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I didn't want to interfere in the effort but I took a look at the Leader LGC-396 manual and it does not mention a 1KHz sound signal.
If it did that could be used to get the discriminator at least in the ballpark.

The way a NTSC RF signal is produced is that the sound signal (1KHz lets say) is FM modulated onto a 4.5MHz carrier, then that sound (sub)carrier is added to a video signal, that combined video signal is AM modulated onto a RF channel frequency carrier. The result is that there is a FM sound subcarrier that is offset from video carrier by 4.5MHz.

Do you have an oscilloscope?
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Old 08-26-2022, 10:13 AM
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I didn't want to interfere in the effort but I took a look at the Leader LGC-396 manual and it does not mention a 1KHz sound signal.
If it did that could be used to get the discriminator at least in the ballpark.

The way a NTSC RF signal is produced is that the sound signal (1KHz lets say) is FM modulated onto a 4.5MHz carrier, then that sound (sub)carrier is added to a video signal, that combined video signal is AM modulated onto a RF channel frequency carrier. The result is that there is a FM sound subcarrier that is offset from video carrier by 4.5MHz.

Do you have an oscilloscope?
When I hooked the Leader up to my Zenith for testing, there was a tone. I'll check again this evening. My Conar generator definitely has one. Yes I have a Tektronix and a Heathkit scope
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