Dinah Shore show Nov 9, 1958

[Eric H]

I know what you're saying Phil and it may be true that the market is small for this, however someone paid to have the tape restored so either they did it solely to save some history or else they thought there was a market for it.

There are (were?) lots of small DVD companies putting out all sorts of obscure shows from the 40's and the 50's, I think a DVD set of the oldest surviving Videotapes would sell well enough to justify the cost. If nothing else one of the Cable channels could run them, Turner Classics for example.
Perhaps they are tangled up in copyright issues, that happens a lot, The Batman TV show from the 60's is a good example, it may never come out due to all the royalty issues.

[Phil Nelson]

My son has had some dealings with tiny companies that put out obscure DVDs, and learned that copyrights get extra messy when a movie or show includes a musical number.

To you and me, it's Dinah singing a song. But her production company probably paid the composer a royalty for that performance in a single broadcast. Fine, but did their permission from the songwriter also include the right to sell reproductions of the performance in any medium for perpetuity? If not, does a valid copyright still exist for that song, and in that case, who the heck owns the song rights and what is their price for us to re-use it?

Now, imagine a full episode of a variety show with a couple of celebrity guests and, say, three or four musical numbers by different composers. Yech, I'm getting a headache already -- enough with this crummy DVD business

Phil Nelson

[oldtvman]

Regardless of what their goals are the fact remains that this is an amazing example of how good some of the early color stuff really was. Combine this with the fact that the early color sets I have and the ones I saw back in the day supports my theory that the complaints about early color may have been overly stated. Keep in mind when I did service I would walk into people homes and see color pictures you might find in horror shows. I think someone with a properly adjusted set in good working condition would produce an amazing color image.

[Sandy G]

That's pretty sad. I thoughtmost of this stuff went to public domain after X number of years...There's a good probability that a lot of this stuff will NEVER get seen again, I'd imagine.

[robatino]

Originally Posted by Sandy G

That's pretty sad. I thoughtmost of this stuff went to public domain after X number of years...There's a good probability that a lot of this stuff will NEVER get seen again, I'd imagine.

For all practical purposes nothing goes to the public domain anymore. Whenever X is approached, legislation is passed to increase it. Google for "Copyright Term Extension Act" and "Eldred v. Ashcroft".

Edit: http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2012/12/how_...nnovation.html also discusses this - see the "Intellectual Property" section.

[Sandy G]

While I fully understand & support the artists/parties all being properly compensated on things like this, it looks like SOMETHING could be worked out in cases like this...

[Glenz75]

Far out that picture quality is pretty amazing! Would love to see it uncompressed in its real form. Would be something.

[colorfixer]

OK then, mute the audio so that the license-able content is removed, put black boxes and blurs around the orchestra's faces, and lets enjoy the living color!

[Sandy G]

There are unfortunately, just not enuff of us "Mad Monks" to warrant getting all the clearances... And if one bunch thought they were losing 15 cents worth of residuals...Oh, Hell !....Think of ALL those starving musicians we'd be puttin' in the Poor House..Like I said, I DON'T wanna deprive anyone of their just compensation, but, some shark-ass lawyer, OTOH....

[Steve Hoffman]

That's show biz. I used to scream and cry about it (especially after spending hours trying to get one thing cleared) but now I don't even grunt. Just stupid greed. Such is life.

[NewVista]

The only answer unfortunately (or fortunately) is web piracy. They either get less than what they want
or nothing, their choice.

[barnaby1]

Originally Posted by oldtvman

i happen to run accross the video from the dinah shore show on nbc date nov 9 1958. The color is amazing on this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dutkl_z9474

i am the guy who pushed the record button on that videotape machine, that recorded that show . It was an rca trt-1 2" machine at nbc burbank. Don't know where you found the tape. But, thanks it brings back memories of my youth. I was 29.

Barnaby 1

[Pete Deksnis]

Originally Posted by barnaby1

i am the guy who pushed the record button on that videotape machine, that recorded that show . It was an rca trt-1 2" machine at nbc burbank. Don't know where you found the tape. But, thanks it brings back memories of my youth. I was 29.

Barnaby 1

Hi Barnaby1,

Very exciting to hear from someone in the business then. Do you recall: was the recording basically a recording of a 'live' show, or was there editing involved, as was the case with " An Evening with Fred Astaire" also in 1958?

Thanks for any input you may have.

Pete

[Joel Cairo]

Originally Posted by Pete Deksnis

Hi Barnaby1,

Very exciting to hear from someone in the business then. Do you recall: was the recording basically a recording of a 'live' show, or was there editing involved, as was the case with " An Evening with Fred Astaire" also in 1958?

Thanks for any input you may have.

Pete

Pete:

What editing was involved in the "Evening with Fred Astaire Show" that you've seen...? The original program was a live broadcast from L.A. to N.Y., which was taped and then replayed for the West Coast.

- Kevin

[Pete Deksnis]

Originally Posted by Joel Cairo

Pete:

What editing was involved in the "Evening with Fred Astaire Show" that you've seen...? The original program was a live broadcast from L.A. to N.Y., which was taped and then replayed for the West Coast.

- Kevin

Didn't the Astair show use some cutting and splicing?

Pete