RCA 630TS scored

[DavidGoncalv]

Eagerly awaiting the result. Do I have time to make a cup of tea?

[Geist]

Hi All;
The suspense is killing me.. Will Bob, get another FLY to do its thing, or will it be another FLY on the wall.. Among the many Fly's on his walls, in the summer.. What will He get, a squashed fly or a good FLY..
THANK YOU Marty

[bandersen]

I didn't get much sleep last night and worked all day but a pot of coffee is brewing right now. I'll try to make the swap later tonight.

Luckily, that's a common fly and I have several to choose from

[bandersen]

I pulled the RCA flyback completely out of the set and it now tests good with 10 rings! Sencore clearly states you can test it in circuit so long as you pull the rectifier tube.

So perhaps the problem likes in the width or linearity coils that connect to the fly or maybe the yoke ?

[chipper]

Where's the choke?

[bandersen]

Originally Posted by chipper

Where's the choke?

It uses the speaker field coil for the power supply choke. Why do you ask ?


I ended up testing four flybacks in all. With my Sencore VA62 and YF33, they test between 9 and 10 rings where 10 rings and up is considered good. My Eico 944 showed them all well into the good although the RCA did buzz during testing.


Then, I tried testing the horizontal yoke coils. They showed bad on all three meters. So I pulled a couple nearly identical yokes out of Admiral sets, and they too test bad but about the same as each other.

I dug up a NOS yoke from the early 50s and it tested very good on all meters. That leads me to believe that for some reason these meters are not capable of testing very early yokes properly.

The yoke currently in the set is an RCA 201D3 and I have a spare 201D1. The D3 has a 56pF cap while the D1 has a 39pF I wonder if that's the only difference ? I figure I'll swap out the caps and give it a try.

[bandersen]

I left the original yoke in the set and replace the flyback with an Admiral. That did the trick Glad I tried that before messing around with the yoke.
I popped in the full sized CRT but couldn't get an image until I tried a PM trap rather than the electromagetic one. I'll have to investigate that further.





After a few minutes of operation, the vertical holds gets very touchy and retrace lines appear. The contrast is pretty touchy too and the sound is poor. Even so it's a big improvement

[bandersen]

I finally found the sweet spot for the electromagnetic ion trap Note that this isn't the CRT that came with the set. It had tested weak so I put it aside in favor of this strong one. I think I'll dig it out later tonight and see what sort of picture it can produce.

[bandersen]

I finally figured out why my fluke 80K-40 HV probe was giving me troubles. The cup the tip screws into had broken loose from the resistor divider!

I soldered it back together and can now say with some certainty that I have 8.5 kV on the CRT anode while the schematic calls for 9kV.

[bandersen]

I replaced a leaky mica cap in the vertical oscillator and video detector circuits. Also, the 6AU6 final video amp tube was acting weird. After running a while, it would be quite hot and the picture would start fading away. Probably a short was developing in it so it was replaced. All that took care of my vertical hold issue and improved the contrast
The other micas are suspect as well and will be replaced once my order arrives from Mouser in a few days.

[cwmoser]

Originally Posted by bandersen

...
I ended up testing four flybacks in all. With my Sencore VA62 and YF33, they test between 9 and 10 rings where 10 rings and up is considered good.
...

I've never tested a Flyback using a test instrument.
I also have a Sencore VA62 -- I'll have to give it a go to see
how its done.

Carl

[Zenith6S321]

I just tried a VA62 and a VA62A on my 630TS flyback in circuit. Both read 3 rings with the leads connected to the HOT cap lead and HV rectifier cap lead with the rectifier removed. Not sure how accurate my Heathhkit HV probe is, but it reads about 8KV on the CRT anode with a bright picture. My flyback also had an extra capacitor on it, but I left it off during the re-cap. My picture is a bit narrow so it may benefit from a little added capacitance to get more width.

Dave

[bandersen]

Thanks for the info. I get 3 rings in circuit too. I think it's from the yoke loading it down.

Now that the set is running well, I decided to reinstall the original flyback and give it one last try before writing it off. Surprisingly, it works just fine! Around 9.7-10.3 kV depending on the drive control setting.

I have no idea why the HV was low earlier I've replaced, swapped and adjusted so much at this point...

[Glenz75]

Looking good Bob ...Mr Mica Cap strikes again..in some ways I'm kind of glad that NZ TV sets aren't old enough to have those types of micas in amongst the circuit but then again a certain brand of resistor were used in a number of NZ models which are really bad for being very high so that in itself keeps one busy!
Cheers Glen.

[bandersen]

Thanks. At least these micas are fairly easy to get at and are common values.

Here's a test with the original CRT the set came with. It didn't show very good emissions in my tester, but it looks fine to me.