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Old 03-01-2012, 06:22 PM
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No, a temperature stable capacitor would have a zero temperature coefficient of capacitance. The -750 has a calibrated drift, decreasing in capacitance as temperature rises.
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Old 03-01-2012, 06:25 PM
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Was that the highest quality you could get back then or just what they wanted in the osc. circuit probably?

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Old 03-01-2012, 07:31 PM
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It's not a quality issue. Yes, the calibrated temperature coefficient components were used to reduce the temperature dependence of resonant circuits.

Capacitors have several purposes. When they are used in resonant or timing circuits, their capacitance stability is of importance. In filters they are less critical. For bypassing and for power supply ripple control they are not critical at all.
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Old 03-01-2012, 08:38 PM
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It's not a quality issue. Yes, the calibrated temperature coefficient components were used to reduce the temperature dependence of resonant circuits.

Capacitors have several purposes. When they are used in resonant or timing circuits, their capacitance stability is of importance. In filters they are less critical. For bypassing and for power supply ripple control they are not critical at all.
Is it going to be critical for me to replace a cap (n-750) with a temp stable or will new manufacture mica/ceramic be ok?
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:34 PM
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I have no idea what circuit uses that in your unit, but if they specified a coefficient, it's probably wise to stick with it. I don't know if you still can buy those but I see no reason why not.

Before you order anything, look on the data sheet for the part (yes, capacitors have data sheets too) and see what temperature coefficient of capacitance it has. Do a little survey, perhaps of the bigger manufacturers and see what they offer.

On the other hand, if you are restoring this and don't plan to use it much, it probably doesn't make a lot of difference.
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:43 PM
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from a previous post I was told to use temp stable in critical circuits but these calibrated temp coeffecient caps just kind of caught me off guard. I will do what I can to get similiar caps. This set is going to see a lot of use once I am done. Still need a couple mica/ceramic caps and then I will tackle the turntable. Its a webcor needs a little work which I will post later.
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Old 03-02-2012, 05:46 AM
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Why are you replacing the micas? Usually they are OK. I think it's best to replace the papers and electrolytics and then see how the set operates. If you shotgun the micas you may have it way off alignment in a complicated set.

Edit: whoops, I forgot in the beginning you said the set drifts. Pay no attention to my query!
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Old 03-02-2012, 09:16 AM
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Maybe its an alignment but also if I am not sitting perfectly on a station the set makes a thunk thunk thunk sound in a repeating pattern on fm.
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Old 03-02-2012, 02:25 PM
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Why are you replacing the micas? Usually they are OK. I think it's best to replace the papers and electrolytics and then see how the set operates. If you shotgun the micas you may have it way off alignment in a complicated set.

Edit: whoops, I forgot in the beginning you said the set drifts. Pay no attention to my query!
It was earlier today brought to my attention that maybe my issue with fm drift is me not letting the set warm up enough. I turn it on fm, set it on a station, take a shower and I will need to retune it.From there it stays locked in period. if I turn it on am , take a shower and then switch to fm it stays locked in. Ok so once again maybe this is a learning issue......this is my first fm set. Opinions anyone?
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Old 03-02-2012, 05:56 PM
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It's just temperature. With the proper temperature compensation components it shouldn't drift so much that you ever have to retune. So that -750 part may be important after all.

Some engineers would cheat by adding a transformer to keep the oscillator tube warm but that only reduces drift caused by tube temperature variation. Another approach is to make the whole thing a temperature controlled oven, with a thermostat and heater/resistor so that there is essentially no warmup drift. Or there is the compensation approach. None of these is ideal, as they only reduce drift. It's impossible to eliminate it, short of synchronizing with an external or atomic standard.

Some modern radios use a synthesizer, with an accurate crystal oscillator as the standard. My ham radio transceivers work that way; they drift less than 0.5 ppm, something not achievable with an LC oscillator.
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Old 03-02-2012, 07:21 PM
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I really need to get more books on radios and start reading !
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