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hi_volt · #16 03-17-2014, 07:45 AM

Looks like I'll need another one for my new CTC-7, so sign me up for 3 instead of 2.

ohohyodafarted · #17 03-17-2014, 12:20 PM

Last week I located and removed a virgin "Deluxe" emblem on one of my B&W sets in storage. This morning I took the emblem over to the felow who will do the casting of the parts. It will be several weeks before the parts are available, and then I have to still get the emblems brass plated.

I will post with another update when I have the raw castings in hand.

IsthmusTV · #18 03-17-2014, 03:27 PM

Thanks for the update, Bob. That's good news.

I'm going to update my commitment to two emblems. I think hi_volt's idea of having a back up sounds wise.

Thanks,

Clark

Phil Nelson · #19 03-18-2014, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ohohyodafarted

virgin "Deluxe" emblem on one of my B&W sets

Like this one?

This free cabinet just popped up on the local craigslist. I might be tempted, just to get a spare emblem, but the ad says, "two people will be required to bring it down three flights of stairs."

Phil Nelson

ohohyodafarted · #20 03-18-2014, 02:32 AM

Phil,

There are 2 versions of the Deluxe emblem. The one we are making is about 3inches wide and is cast. There is also one that is about 7 inches wide and is formed in sheet brass. I cant tell from the photo if this is the 7 inch or the small cast one we are making.

Steve D. · #21 03-18-2014, 11:14 AM

Bob,

You stated the "Deluxe" emblem you will be using as a mold for the duplicates was from an RCA B&W TV. So you are absolutely sure the emblem is exactly the same dimensions size wise w/the attachment pins as those found on the CTC 4/5 color receivers. I guess what I'm staying, your reproductions are an exact match and will push in to the existing holes on the CTC 4/5 color sets? See photo attachment post #14.

Thanks,
-Steve D.

ohohyodafarted · #22 03-18-2014, 11:52 AM

Hi Steve,

I did not actually compare it to a Deluxe emblem on a color set by removing the emblem from the color set. However, cosmetically it appears to be the same emblem from what I can see without removing the emblem from the color set. I can't imagine that RCA would have produced different versions of an emblem that all look alike. However just to make ceertain that there is no difference inthee locations of the pins, I will measure the distance of the holes in a CTC4 cabinet that is missing the emblem and compare it to the drilled holes in the B&W cabinet.

If there is a difference in the location of the holes in a color set versus a B&W set we will have to make a decission about how to make an emblem that fits all sets.

The casting process will utilize metal pin "embedments" instead of casting stems. However the metal pins may be of a slightly smaller diameter. The process used to cast the emblem does not allow us to cast the stems for various technical reasons that I will not go into here. You would need to have a thorough understanding of the rubber mold casting process in order to understand the technical difficulties of casting small diameter pins like we are dealing with. It may be necessary to place a small amount of epoxy in the existing holes of the cabinet with a tooth pick and tape the emblem on the face of the cabinet until the glue sets up and can hold the emblem in place.

Visually the emblems should be near exactly what the original looks like. The object is to have an emblem that looks proper even if there may be some minor mechanical differences. This should not be an issue to anyone who has a missing or damaged emblem.

The only way to cast the pins would be to have a zinc die casting company make a tool steel mold which would be prohibitivly expensive. Sometimes in life we must make some small trade-offs to achieve an acceptable goal.

ohohyodafarted · #23 03-18-2014, 02:04 PM

I just got back from a 1hr round trip to my storage unit. I measured the center to center distance of the holes on the B&W set. I also measured the distances on 2 CTC4 sets. The measurment on all the sets is the same. It measures 1.700" + or - .005"

So, just as I suspected, there is only 1 version of this emblem and it was used on all sets, both B&W and color, with this type of small die cast emblem.

This emblem is not to be confused with the larger "Deluxe" emblem that is stamped and formed from sheet brass.

Steve D. · #24 03-18-2014, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ohohyodafarted

I just got back from a 1hr round trip to my storage unit. I measured the center to center distance of the holes on the B&W set. I also measured the distances on 2 CTC4 sets. The measurment on all the sets is the same. It measures 1.700" + or - .005"

So, just as I suspected, there is only 1 version of this emblem and it was used on all sets, both B&W and color, with this type of small die cast emblem.

This emblem is not to be confused with the larger "Deluxe" emblem that is stamped and formed from sheet brass.

Bob,

Appreciate you taking the time to measure and confirm the "Deluxe" emblem's measurements re: the stem attachments. I will be purchasing one of the emblems as a spare, as one of the stems on my current emblem has broken off. Look forward to your posting their availability down the line.

Thanks again,
-Steve D.

*zenithfan1* · #25 03-18-2014, 04:22 PM

I need one for my Wingate. Pretty sure the one on the director 21 is broken too.

dieseljeep · #26 03-18-2014, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by zenithfan1

I need one for my Wingate. Pretty sure the one on the director 21 is broken too.

WELLCOME back. The forum hasn't heard from you in a long time.
We all hope everything is well with you!

miniman82 · #27 03-19-2014, 09:54 PM

He got lost in facebook for a while, he's been around. Hi Mark!

StellarTV · #28 04-03-2014, 04:04 PM

Looks like I'll be needing one for an upcoming CTC-7, so put me down for 1. Thanks!

BigDavesTV · #29 04-04-2014, 09:56 AM

Count me in for one, please, I have very recently acquired a CTC 7 with the "D" broken off the Deluxe emblem! Thanks again for your research and time and investment in this project.

ohohyodafarted · #30 04-04-2014, 10:29 AM

I just spoke to the fellow who will be casting the emblems for us. As I suspected, he is draging his feet. Nothing happens very quickly with this guy, and If I push too hard he will just push back. So I have to pe patient and let this guy do his work when he feels like doing it.

I will contact him again in a few more weeks to see if he has made any progress. I just wanted to let everyone know that this is going to happen but it is going to take some time, so we all need to be patient.