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Old 04-02-2024, 10:36 AM
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You can also put a regular 75 watt bulb in place of the fuse.
Look up "dim bulb" on U tube.
Diode looks like damper. 99% of time they dead short.
BUT most are built in to HOT so be sure your replacements dont have a
built in one !
You may find a FBT but its a big gamble.

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Old 04-02-2024, 08:53 PM
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Diode looks like damper. 99% of time they dead short.
Yes that is the damper diode, and if it was shorted the HOT would blow instantly without giving a picture. I got my set to run fine for a few minutes until I killed the HOT by changing focus while the TV was on.
I measured the diode with the diode test mode on my multimeter. Few hundred ohms resistance in one direction if I remember correctly.

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You can also put a regular 75 watt bulb in place of the fuse.
I don't have a lightbulb socket that'd make such a mod convenient. And what purpose would that serve? Fuse only blows when HOT is blown. Maybe you should smoke less weed (no offense)!
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Old 04-04-2024, 09:56 AM
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I got my set to run fine for a few minutes until I killed the HOT by changing focus while the TV was on.
The focus is meant to be changed while the TV is on.

Also, your pictures of the tube are not in any way conclusive as to it's health; a weak tube will still get bright, it just won't focus anymore at an acceptable level of brightness. Just be aware that you could be spending time and money trying to fix a set that will never look right

If you are just doing it for fun, and you're not that invested in the outcome, then great, but if you really are counting on it to look good in the end, you might want to skip this set and look for something cleaner that is obviously low hours
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Old 04-04-2024, 01:48 PM
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Besides all the important tips said here, is good anyway to check +B to see if it is too high, starting measuring the video output supply voltage (one pin of L351), if derives from flyback. Typically it have 180V, and above 200V is considered very suspicious.
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Old 04-04-2024, 07:28 PM
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The focus is meant to be changed while the TV is on.
Well mine died the instant I'd touched the knob. If that's really the case, something is very wrong.
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Also, your pictures of the tube are not in any way conclusive as to it's health; a weak tube will still get bright, it just won't focus anymore at an acceptable level of brightness. Just be aware that you could be spending time and money trying to fix a set that will never look right

If you are just doing it for fun, and you're not that invested in the outcome, then great, but if you really are counting on it to look good in the end, you might want to skip this set and look for something cleaner that is obviously low hours
This is mostly a challenge project; after all this is an obscure set and is worth some effort. I got it for free anyways! and I'd also like to be more comfortable working around high-voltage electronics.
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Besides all the important tips said here, is good anyway to check +B to see if it is too high, starting measuring the video output supply voltage (one pin of L351), if derives from flyback. Typically it have 180V, and above 200V is considered very suspicious.
How exactly would I do this with my multimeter? also this measurement would require a new HOT. Two new HOTs should be arriving tomorrow & the new 1500pf safety capacitor arrived today.

ALSO it'd be nice to have the Sams' for this model.
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Old 04-05-2024, 06:51 AM
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About the measurement... yes, this one requires the system functioning. Is good to measure "in a hurry", with the + lead of the multimeter attached to the point (negative from multimeter will be to circuit ground, like the channel selector shield or some easy point), and then powering up the TV, watching as fast you can the measured voltage (before damage). Just when you are able to read the stable measurement, turn off the TV.
Then you can repeat for the HOT PSU, to take note. Same fast principle.

Is interesting both measurements, tyo see if one or both deviates from normal, to try to find soem culprit.

Another possible test, and more challenging, to check the PSU, is to remove the HOT and uses a resistor to emulate the HOT current, to independent test the PSU, before HOT eating. Some old PSU reacts bad to no load, hence the need for some load: some linear PSU rises the output voltage without load, making no-load measurement useless; and some older SMPS explodes without load.
A small lamp for emulating load... it depends, some PSU can be damaged by the filament in-rush current.
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Old 04-05-2024, 02:52 PM
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Besides all the important tips said here, is good anyway to check +B to see if it is too high, starting measuring the video output supply voltage (one pin of L351), if derives from flyback. Typically it have 180V, and above 200V is considered very suspicious.
Good call from Alex
To expand on that a cheap thing can be done. Follow the wire from L351 to the main chassis. On that line is a @4.7 mfd @350V. I can almost guarantee it
is bad & may be the problem. It can cause a lot of different symptoms
on ALL brands, its in the top ten of common fails. Also there is a SCREEN control on the CRT board. If to high it gives too bright a pix & poor focus.
Looking at the screen shots I see too bright a pix & poor focus. Too much
bright will draw too much current & stress the HOT.
Build a dim bulb tester. It will cost < $10 and will be very useful.
( socket, 2 alligator clips, some wire & a real bulb ).

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Old 04-05-2024, 03:41 PM
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Thank you for all the amazing tips. I will try to find an old lamp to cannibalize as a bulb tester gizmo.

If the +B turns out to be too high, at least we can crank it down with this variable resistor
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To expand on that a cheap thing can be done. Follow the wire from L351 to the main chassis. On that line is a @4.7 mfd @350V. I can almost guarantee it
is bad & may be the problem. It can cause a lot of different symptoms
on ALL brands, its in the top ten of common fails.
By this you mean a 4.7μF capacitor rated for 350V, no?
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Old 04-05-2024, 04:19 PM
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Found it. 4.7μF, lives near the HOT and is rated for 250V only. If the HOT blows again even with the brightness & screen turned down I will replace it.
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Old 04-04-2024, 02:05 PM
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See U tube for discharge vids.
You set is solid state. On turn off MOST of them bleed off in a few seconds.
It will not kill you, just teach respect. In fact in theory if you have an
irregular heart beat ( afibs) it may cure you ! Same thing as they do in
the hospital. ( cardioversion) I got bit at least once a week for 40 yrs and I am still here

The dangerous part of anything is where the AC comes in.

BTW I will take the weed thing with humor But I came from
South Acton, the beer side of town The pot heads came from West Acton
or Acton Center.

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