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bandersen 09-14-2012 04:10 PM

Emerson 540A restoration
 
I popped open the last unrestored AA5 radio in my collection this afternoon. It's a nifty little Emerson 540A (AKA Emersonette).

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8308/7...c3d8b5a2_z.jpg http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8308/7...e4a69579_z.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8030/7...115c7a3b_z.jpg http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8455/7...16557389_z.jpg


Unfortunately, there's a hairline crack along one side. I'll try to glue that up so it doesn't get any worse.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8298/7...1b4bd489_z.jpg

One cap lost it's insides and there's a smoked resistor. Looks like an easy restore :)
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8451/7...0d4e87a5_c.jpg

Kevin Kuehn 09-15-2012 12:05 AM

That's a cutie.

Is that can(Merit?) under the chassis suppose to be there?

bandersen 09-15-2012 12:15 AM

The radio has been worked on before and it is a replacement IF can, but the original was mounted in the same location. Space is a real premium in this set.

bandersen 09-15-2012 03:11 AM

It's a tough set to work on for sure. I'm having to peel away layers to replace the old caps.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8315/7...2d7613a8_z.jpg http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8178/7...46ff5558_z.jpg

dieseljeep 09-15-2012 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bandersen (Post 3047992)
It's a tough set to work on for sure. I'm having to peel away layers to replace the old caps.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8315/7...2d7613a8_z.jpg http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8178/7...46ff5558_z.jpg

At least the newer components are a lot smaller.
It's been about 40 years since I saw one of those. That sets all original, to be sure.
I don't think it has U/L approval either.
The tube shield on the 35W4 or 50B5 must get hot enough to blister your finger. :sigh:

Reece 09-15-2012 05:52 PM

From what I can see from the pictures and the schematic on NostalgiaAir, this is a "true" fully hot chassis set with no floating ground? It looks as if the lower rear mounting screws would be hidden by the back cover and so OK. It also appears that the front flange of the chassis slides under a couple of bosses under the speaker opening to hold it in place and so no underchassis screws exposed.

bob91343 09-15-2012 07:04 PM

I just want to make a philosophical observation. I am an old guy and these radios were current models to me. I looked at them with disdain even then, thinking how cheaply can something be made and still have it work. The workmanship, design, and component quality was of the lowest order, and the hot chassis exacerbated that.

I repaired many of them, and it was nearly impossible to repair without creating a sort of upgrade, since after market parts were usually better than OEM.

I realize this is a hobby, but prolonging the life of what I had considered a piece of junk seems to be contrary to common sense.

Yes, it's fun, and that alone justifies it. When I see one, my virtual hands reach out to pick at it and savor the delights of my childhood. I want to rock the tubes in their sockets, spray hazardous substances into the controls, push parts around to search for potential shorts or broken solder joints, etc. And of course clean the dial and recalibrate and realign the unit. The speaker probably is raspy from the cone warping over the years. The knobs push on with springs rather than set screws. And a host of other economy measures were used.

I wonder what of today's gear will be thought of in this way, one day.

On the opposite end of the scale, I recently acquired a Hewlett Packard signal generator, model 606. It's a 19 tube behemoth that weighs enough to give even a strong man a hernia, trying to lift it. Overdesign is evident everywhere, with buffer stages to reduce FM when only AM is desired, a hand calibrated dial, and about 120 dB of dynamic range with a meter that is amazingly accurate.

bandersen 09-15-2012 08:08 PM

Yeah, it's a hot chassis for sure. I suppose I should install a polarized line cord for safety.

Cheaply made they may be, but they do fetch a nice price on ebay - especially the white, green and red models. Here's a white that recently went for $200!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Emerson-540A...-/261050587308

bob91343 09-15-2012 08:19 PM

Hey there is even a market for Hallicrafters S-38s that also were not much. I used to chuckle at Hallicrafters' slogan, 'the radio that amazes the experts.' Yeah, amazed that someone would actually try to sell something like this.

Sounds like sour grapes but it's not. I tell it the way I see it, and I enjoy working on the stuff. I have restored many units or, rather, refurbished. I especially have a fondness for test equipment, and I have far too much of it.

dieseljeep 09-16-2012 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bandersen (Post 3048058)
Yeah, it's a hot chassis for sure. I suppose I should install a polarized line cord for safety.

Cheaply made they may be, but they do fetch a nice price on ebay - especially the white, green and red models. Here's a white that recently went for $200!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Emerson-540A...-/261050587308

They used that same cabinet on a pre-war 2 tube TRF set. Those are the ones that are rare. I don't think many of those survived. Pin-drive speaker, resistance line cord and minimal performance. :tears:

Reece 09-16-2012 11:41 AM

Yes, a lot of junk was/is made out there, but it's interesting to preserve some of it as historical statements of the time. Some of the four-tube wonders from the early thirties (mantel sets, midgets) were junk, too; only good for local stations, fire and shock hazards with hot chassis and resistance power cords, squawky volume control arrangements that varied tube bias, but I've got a couple and have one of them fixed up, sort of; it "kinda" plays after a total guts transplant. I could imagine some waitress in a depression diner saving up tips to get a cheap little set like this from Walgreens so she could hear Amos 'N Andy and get a few laughs after a long long day on her feet slinging hash.

"Just around the corner,
There's a rainbow in the sky,
So let's have another cup of coffee,
And let's have another piece of pie..."

Jeffhs 09-16-2012 02:39 PM

I have a Zenith H511-Y (black bakelite cabinet) that still works -- well, sort of. I live near Lake Erie (within a mile of the south shore), so the set gets WJR in Detroit and probably CKLW in Windsor, Ontario, but it's not so good on Cleveland stations. I can only hear one such station, 50kW WTAM 1100, during the day most of the time, but at night the dial lights up with stations up and down the East Coast and the Great Lakes region. :scratch2:

I replaced the crumbling, dry-rotted power cord with a fresh one I salvaged from an RF modulator. I probably should eventually replace the 3-section power supply filter capacitor as well, although the set isn't humming (at least not loud enough that I can hear it) at the moment. This radio was an eBay score about ten years ago and is one of my favorite sets in my collection, next to my 1980 Zenith "Royal 70" 11-transistor AM-FM portable and my 1958 TransOceanic solid-state AM/SW set. I am baffled, however, as to why one antique radio site on the Internet shows the Royal 70's chassis number as 7ZT49, when the radio obviously has eleven transistors. :scratch2:

BTW, I am only 56 years old, so wasn't around during the Great Depression of the 1930s, but somehow I can't imagine Walgreens being in business anywhere in the US at that time (unless the stores were operating under another name). I think the first Walgreens stores opened in the late 1960s or seventies.

Jeffhs 09-16-2012 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dieseljeep (Post 3048105)
They used that same cabinet on a pre-war 2 tube TRF set. Those are the ones that are rare. I don't think many of those survived. Pin-drive speaker, resistance line cord and minimal performance. :tears:

I cannot for the life of me imagine how a 2-tube radio could work, even as a TRF set. My grandmother had a 1948 GE TRF clock radio, but that set had four tubes, which makes more sense to me for a TRF radio. The only problem, at least with my grandmother's set and a 1936 Silvertone table set she had, was that these radios would pick up extremely strong stations on at least two points on the dial. Her radios were at her summer cottage, which was located five miles from a 50kW station, so you can imagine how strong that station was at that location -- it came in like gangbusters.

BTW, what is a pin-drive loudspeaker? I am familiar with PM speakers and field-coil ones, but pin-drive speakers are new to me. (Shows my age -- I am 56 years old and hadn't even been thought of when TRF radios and pin-drive speakers were new.)

BTW (2): Thank goodness resistance line cords (aka "curtain burners") are no longer used, having been replaced many decades ago (before tube-type radios were phased out in favor of transistor sets) by actual dropping resistors on the radio's chassis. I hate to think of how many house fires may have been caused by resistance cords which were too close to very flammable curtains. :eek: :yikes:

Thanks much.

bob91343 09-16-2012 03:11 PM

I remember patronizing Walgreen's back in the early 1950s; it seemed like an old institution even then.

A pin drive speaker is, as I recall, a magnetic unit. The horseshoe magnet had an armature that was a thin rod, or pin, that connected to the center of the speaker cone, which was a complete cone down to the tip. I used to have one, back in the middle 1940s. (I told you I was old!)

Reece 09-16-2012 04:24 PM

Mr. Walgreen started the first store in 1901, and by 1930 had 397 stores. Google is your friend.

wa2ise 09-16-2012 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob91343 (Post 3048050)
I just want to make a philosophical observation. I am an old guy and these radios were current models to me. I looked at them with disdain even then, thinking how cheaply can something be made and still have it work. The workmanship, design, and component quality was of the lowest order, and the hot chassis exacerbated that.

Quote:

It's a tough set to work on for sure. I'm having to peel away layers to replace the old caps.
My father, who would have turned 97 years old last Friday, hated Emersons. His complaint was that you'd sometimes have to remove some parts just to get at parts buried deeper down. Another factor was that his mother in law owned an Emerson 708 AA5 radio. Back in the early 70's I was in high school and was trying to fix that set. My father berates me for spending time on it "That radio is a piece of trash". He had the standard issue mother in law-son in law relationship :thumbsdn: Anyway, I never could fix that radio, today I know (from what I remember of it) that the IF transformers had silver migration disease. But that wasn't on my radar, problems had to be wax caps (find the bad one) or a bad tube.

That IF transformer below deck is a really ugly design. :thumbsdn:

old_coot88 09-16-2012 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob91343 (Post 3048134)
A pin drive speaker is, as I recall, a magnetic unit. The horseshoe magnet had an armature that was a thin rod, or pin, that connected to the center of the speaker cone, which was a complete cone down to the tip.

It also eliminated need for an output xfmr, since the coil was high enough impedance to serve as plate load of the output tube.
Quote:

I told you I was old!
:D:D I resemble that remark.

Reece 09-16-2012 07:37 PM

The pin drive speakers were used where the field coils of electrodynamic speakers were impractical due to power requirements, as in some farm sets of the thirties, where battery power needed to be conserved. This type of speaker was abandoned once good Alnico magnet PM speakers came along in the early forties. Interestingly, at least one transistor radio, I believe a G.E., used a pin drive speaker due to space requirements, in the early sixties.

dieseljeep 09-16-2012 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffhs (Post 3048133)
I cannot for the life of me imagine how a 2-tube radio could work, even as a TRF set. My grandmother had a 1948 GE TRF clock radio, but that set had four tubes, which makes more sense to me for a TRF radio. The only problem, at least with my grandmother's set and a 1936 Silvertone table set she had, was that these radios would pick up extremely strong stations on at least two points on the dial. Her radios were at her summer cottage, which was located five miles from a 50kW station, so you can imagine how strong that station was at that location -- it came in like gangbusters.

BTW, what is a pin-drive loudspeaker? I am familiar with PM speakers and field-coil ones, but pin-drive speakers are new to me. (Shows my age -- I am 56 years old and hadn't even been thought of when TRF radios and pin-drive speakers were new.)

BTW (2): Thank goodness resistance line cords (aka "curtain burners") are no longer used, having been replaced many decades ago (before tube-type radios were phased out in favor of transistor sets) by actual dropping resistors on the radio's chassis. I hate to think of how many house fires may have been caused by resistance cords which were too close to very flammable curtains. :eek: :yikes:

Thanks much.

The radio in my entry was a two tube radio, but the tubes were the early dual purpose tubes. The RF amp and power detector was a 12B8GT. The rectifier and output tube was a 32L7GT. IIRC, the tubes were sourced by Tung-sol.
Basically it was a typical TRF of the day.
Re: the resistance line cords. Like everything else that can be misused and abused, the cords were no more of a hazard, than any other heat producing product of the day. The higher wattage ones were insulated better. They looked like iron or toaster cords of the day. If in good condition, they only got warm to the touch. Not hot enough to cause a fire.

bandersen 09-16-2012 09:35 PM

It's not quite so cramped after a recap.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8457/7...2e19f46e_c.jpg

I also installed a polarized plug with the neutral going to the chassis. The power switch was rewired to be on the hot side and 1/2 amp fuse added.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8040/7...db8551f9_z.jpg

It plays surprisingly well :music:
The chassis sure gets hot though. It seems the brass shield collars around each tube base draws a lot of heat into the chassis.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8309/7...85f876aa_z.jpg http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8036/7...8b272493_z.jpg

Jeffhs 09-16-2012 10:15 PM

What is the best (or safest) way to connect a polarized line cord to an AC-DC radio or TV currently using a non-polarized one? Every one of my antique radios, including the Zenith H511 on which I replaced the line cord, has a standard cord and plug; the latter can be inserted in the wall socket both ways, which could create a shock hazard if the plug were inserted such that the hot side of the AC line was connected to the chassis. However, the Zenith radio, and all my other AC-DC antique/vintage sets, seem well enough insulated (if the back cover is well secured to the cabinet and the knobs are snug enough on their shafts that they cannot be removed without pulling on them) that this doesn't seem to be a problem. I am only asking about the polarized plug so I will have the information available if and when I eventually decide to replace the cord or plug.

Thanks.

bob91343 09-17-2012 01:10 AM

I believe that the wide prong on the polarized plug is connected to the cold, or low side of the line, so that's the one to set up to go to the chassis.

However, having said that, you can't trust that your outlets have been wired correctly, so it's still dangerous.

I have pondered this situation for years and have not found a satisfactory solution, short of using an isolation transformer. However, that isn't so hard to cobble up from a pair of filament transformers back to back. You only need, for most of these little sets, 20 Watts or so, which can be gotten from a pair of 6.3 V 3 A transformers.

dieseljeep 09-17-2012 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bandersen (Post 3048209)
It's not quite so cramped after a recap.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8457/7...2e19f46e_c.jpg

I also installed a polarized plug with the neutral going to the chassis. The power switch was rewired to be on the hot side and 1/2 amp fuse added.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8040/7...db8551f9_z.jpg

It plays surprisingly well :music:
The chassis sure gets hot though. It seems the brass shield collars around each tube base draws a lot of heat into the chassis.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8309/7...85f876aa_z.jpg http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8036/7...8b272493_z.jpg

If any radio needed a new power cord, it was that one. I was surprised to see it had the original one. Looked like the really early type plastic insulation and all twisted up. The plug looked like a replacement, as well. :sigh:

dieseljeep 09-17-2012 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffhs (Post 3048215)
What is the best (or safest) way to connect a polarized line cord to an AC-DC radio or TV currently using a non-polarized one? Every one of my antique radios, including the Zenith H511 on which I replaced the line cord, has a standard cord and plug; the latter can be inserted in the wall socket both ways, which could create a shock hazard if the plug were inserted such that the hot side of the AC line was connected to the chassis. However, the Zenith radio, and all my other AC-DC antique/vintage sets, seem well enough insulated (if the back cover is well secured to the cabinet and the knobs are snug enough on their shafts that they cannot be removed without pulling on them) that this doesn't seem to be a problem. I am only asking about the polarized plug so I will have the information available if and when I eventually decide to replace the cord or plug.

Thanks.

I always felt, that if the radio was U/L approved, it didn't have to be altered. Especially if it was totally recapped, as the line isolation capacitor was replaced as well.
The important ones to rework, are the Hallicrafters AC/DC type, metal cabinet sets, as most of them weren't U/L approved and definately a shock hazard.

bandersen 09-17-2012 02:02 PM

Hmm, I don't think I've encountered a line isolation capacitor before :scratch2: Would that be a cap in the AC line between the plug and the rest of the radio ?

Or are you referring to an AC line filter cap ?

bob91343 09-17-2012 05:01 PM

That's a capacitor between one side of the power line and the chassis, usually with a high resistance resistor. A poor solution to a problem that never should have existed.

Reece 09-17-2012 06:00 PM

The whole business of making AC/DC radios safe leads to a series of compromises. If you have a true hot chassis set, you have a chance of the chassis being hot depending on how you plug it in. With a polarized plug routing neutral to the chassis, you're OK as long as your house receptacles are wired correctly. Most sets have the power switch piggy-backed to the volume control: it's better for hum reduction to have the neutral line switched but that would put the chassis hot. What most manufacturers ended up doing later on in the history of AC/DC sets was to use a floating ground with cap and resistor in parallel to chassis. You can still get a tingle from such a chassis, so to avoid that they used methods of mounting chassis where no exposed screws are hot or "warm," and lovely maddening captive knob arrangements like Zenith used. Another way I have used is nylon undercabinet chassis screws to replace metal ones on table sets.


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