CTC7 on eBay

[RCAkid]

Yes, you are all right!

Not to get off on a rant, but I guess am one of the "bad" guys for getting freaking irritated that fine, vintage electronics are being shipped out of here never to be seen again. It's not like there is an abundance of these sets left and I think it stinks that this set is destined to live in a socialistic riot zone.

You know, while we are at it, let's just go ahead and ship all the quality American built products overseas, just like the rest of the manufacturing in this country and leave the garbage imported products here. That just sounds great. Goodness knows there is little of nothing built to resemble a quality product these days.

If this opinon makes me "evil" in the eyes of some, so be it. I wouldn't be any happier if it went to England, Canada, Mexico or any other country.

Referring to Yagosaga's post: It seems to me that to say that France would fare any better from the so called climate collapse (last time I checked the myth of "Global Warming" was just that, Global) just for an argument of preservation's sake is hardly a relevant argument.

Everyone has an opinion and I respect that. However, I sit up and take notice when I and others are essentially told not to voice our opinions or scolded for voicing our opinions for the sake of feelings of the so called greater good. Seems to me the right of expression is what the free world fought to protect. Perhaps the free world is much smaller than I was raised to believe.

Just my opinion. Now back to the regularly scheduled programming.

[Einar72]

Sadly, RCAChild, it's just that TV collecting has become another "Sport of Kings", just like vintage cars did long ago. I was so angry when my offer wasn't taken seriously on a fine old Cadillac 25+ years ago .
I realize it's hard not to be jealous of those with money elsewhere in the world, but don't let those bloody frogs (British humor) become a magnet for your emotions. Or global warming for that matter. These are subjects for another forum. I am so saddened by all the nice folks who head for this site with a belly-full of talking points from rant radio. Remember, there isn't a dime's worth of difference between the two U.S. political parties, and they both pay outfits like FOX or AirAmerica big bucks to sway you their way!

[RCAkid]

"I realize it's hard not to be jealous of those with money elsewhere in the world, but don't let those bloody frogs (British humor) become a magnet for your emotions." By Einar72

To be quite honest, it is not a matter of money jealousy, although, yes, I would have loved to have been able to own this set.

I just simply expressed my disgust at that set being removed from the U.S. and my further irritation for being chided for making that expression.

I know I cannot save all the sets (as my better half keeps reminding me) and as much as I would like to. I just hate to see those rare pieces of American electronics history leave. If the U.S. was a war torn country or people here were on rampage to destroy all of the historical items of this country, that would be another issue and of course I would want those things saved. But that isn't the issue. I know these radios, tv's, tape decks, etc hardly compare to a Ming vase or to a bust of George Washington, but they are part of a technological evolution that was truly brought to fruition here in the States, fueled the world and is truly part of American history.

That is my frustration and irritation with that set leaving the States. As far as it belonging to a frenchman, that is irrelavent. I just wish it was a frenchman in the States.

[readmm50]

I have been a member of AudioKarma for some time and often enjoy reading the discussions that take place. Not this one. Some of the pathetic jingoistic comments listed above about people in other countries have moved me to make my first contribution (I am not afraid to speak my mind either).

Television technology belongs to the world. It was developed and is still being developed in many countries across the globe. The UK, USA, Germany, France, Russia, Japan etc.

Surely the main point is that this technology is preserved and celebrated. I’m just glad that there are people who have the space, time and money to look after this stuff. I wish I did.

To disrespect people in other countries and to speak about them in pejorative terms is just plain ignorant. Please get back to the subject of discussing these wonderful old TV sets. How is that for free speech!

By-the-way, I live in the UK.

[wiwior]

Hello everybody !

sorry for my poor english !

I read your post I'm also of that horrible frog ebayers .I bought to harry a rca ct9 few month ago and another frog bought an old color tv and this time Jean françois a french collector who have in a charge a museum.

We don't want to deprive to you of your television sets.I'm not rich person for my part to earn this ct9 purchase costs me my holidays.

when a television set of collection is bought to us(like etf museum) I am for my part rather glad to know this saved television set.

You welcome if you are interrested by old 819lines television set problem is to come in France to visit me but it's will be with pleasure.Actually finding old 441lines television in france need to be a rockfeller

For the ct9 I'm actually try to restore it.It's just difficult to find some valves in france like the 6dq5.

sincerely as all

wilfrid

[Grunder]

A german responds to forum members lamenting the loss of a valued example of a vintage American television set to someone in France. How? He scolds these Americans about "global warming" and Iraq.

My family had to ship several of my uncles overseas about 65 years ago. We eventually got all but two back. They're still over there.

[yagosaga]

Originally Posted by wiwior

I read your post I'm also of that horrible frog ebayers

Welcome, Wilfrid, in AK. This is a great forum for discussing vintage television and most of the people here are very kind and helpful. I have some spare U.S. tubes but not the 6dq5. Don't hesitate to ask me.

I don't believe that your 6dq5 is bad. You have a raster, you have high voltage. What is the cathode current of the 6DQ5?

Eckhard

[andy]

ebay is a great place to find tubes for TVs. Most of the tubes used in TVs have little value. I bought 4 new 6DQ5s on ebay for only $6 plus shipping.

[Adam]

I'd be the first to say that American products from the mid-20th century were some of the highest quality ever made, TVs, radios, cars, major appliances, most things..., and to lament the loss of the creation of such fine quality products. But I have no problem with people from other countries wanting to preserve this stuff like I do. I think it's great, the more TV collectors the better, it means more sets are preserved. And if I found an old German or French or British set, I'd want it too, although I wouldn't spend the money to have one shipped from over there. What I do have a problem with is when people buy old sets and destroy them by turning them into fishtanks, dog beds, and other junk. I just like to see old sets restored and preserved no matter where they are. That and I can understand how much work it must be to read and write in this forum for those not from an English speaking country. I've been trying to learn German, and it's not at all easy, it's been driving me nuts.

[RCAkid]

True, the real issue is to preserve. You are right on that point to be sure.

It would seem that some of my comments have offended a few. For that, I apologize. However, I still feel it is a shame for these sets to leave.

I completely agree that those who just toss them in the trash or worse, make bookshelves or bars out of the cabinets need to have their heads examined. But the world has become a throw away society and I suppose manufacturers don't feel they have to build quality products because it is all just going to end up in the garbage anyway.

Just the other day I picked up a little 19" RCA made (JC Penney's model) set. It is about 25 years old, hardly an antique tv or even special really, but it was set out for the trash and I spotted it. I powered it up and it has a great picture on it. The crt is bright and clear. I am sure some cheap little lcd set has replaced it that will probably go out in a couple of years and end up in the trash since there is little or no infrastructure in place to repair modern electronics.

I find it ironic that the mid 20th century is looked upon as one of the most wasteful time periods and in this ecologically minded time we are in, society is creating more trash than has ever been produced.

[bgadow]

It did kinda bother me to read some of the comments that were made, though I realized some were just made in jest. Now, I can be rather selfish sometimes and not want to share things...but I know that I already have way more tv sets than I will ever need (yet I still seek them). We live in a free market and any one of us could have scraped up the money to buy the set in question. Somebody wanted it more than we did, and they will cherish it and preserve it. And if someone here really wants it bad enough they can always bring it back! I hope that, like yagosaga has allowed us to do, we can follow along with this set. It is sometimes MORE fun to watch someone else find and restore a set because at the end of the day I don't have to make room for another monster!

[ohohyodafarted]

disgruntled where Europe is concerned.

I am sorry if I offended anyone. I did not realize that some people would be so sensitive. But talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill!

I guess it just urks me that the Europeans are so protective of their crummy, and technoilogicaly inferior, ecconomic base, and legislate like crazy to prevent foreign competition (read that as UNITED STATES companies) from marketing their products in Europe

I am a very large shareholder in Qualcomm. Although the GSM cell phone standard (which is a basturdized, Europeanized version of TDMA) has been king of the hill in most areas of the world, Qualcomm has trumpted the Euros with it's technologicaly superior CDMA technology. The Europeans can see their stranglehold on the world with GSM, slipping away and they don't like it.

The Euros knew that CDMA would take over cell phone technology eventually and that Qualcomm would basically be king of the hill some day. So in order to thwart our superior American technology, The Euros cobbled together yet another basterdized standard of their own, they call it WCDMA. Basically they added a bunch of unneeded intelectual property of their own to Qualcomm's CDMA core technology. You could liken it to adding the hub caps and a radio to what was already a car. You don't need the hubcaps and radio, because the car will perform just as well without. They did this to hopefully, prevent Qualcomm from collecting royalties on their intelectual property for the CDMA patents needed to make WCDMA work.

Anyhow now that WCDMA is starting to erode the GSM stronghold (and that the old GSM cabal in Euroland is now going to have to pay an American company for the use of the CDMA IP which is the core of WCDMA), the Euros are trying to fight back and are using the European Union to try and legslate against Qualcomm, saying that Qualcomm charges too much.

The Euros knew what the price was for Qualcomms CDMA technology up front, (about 5%) and all of them signed contracts to pay Qualcomm it's standard royalty rate. (over 130 companies worldwide willingly pay the same percentage to use CDMA)

But now the Euros don't want to pay Qualcomm. They say the royalty rate of 5% is to high. When in fact the Euros were charging more than 15% for the IP contained in GSM, to anyone that was not in the little group of Euros that concockted it.

Qualcomm will be mired in legal suits for the next several years while the Euros try to screw my company. As a result my holdings in Qualcomm have been under pressure, and have, and will continue to, underperform the market, as a result of this uncalled for attack by the Euros. Qualcomm will spend over 200 million dollars this year alone to fight this attack. Money that belongs in the pockets of the shareholders.

I am not saying that all Europeans dislike Americans, however it is a well known fact the the French are at the top of the list of those that are not friendly to America.

Members of my family fought in the European theater in WWII, and my uncle Ray died for their freedom. If it were not for our sacrifices during WWII everyone in Europe would be goose stepping to Adolph and his henchmen. How quickly they have forgotten which side their bread is buttered on.

So now you can kick me out of Audio Karma if you want, for offending your sensibilities.

Sorry for not being politically correct. But by the time you get to be as old as I am, and you've been craped on as much as I have, you get to the point where being politically correct is no longer of any importance to you.

BTW, follow this link and educate yourselves about the origin of the term "frog" in reference to the French people.

http://allaboutfrogs.org/weird/general/frenchfrogs.html

[Chad Hauris]

I am going to lock this thread, this is a world-wide forum and these comments are inappropriate.