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Old 12-14-2007, 04:08 PM
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'50 RCA KCS-47A Question

I've got 4 or 5 shaded bands down the left side of my picture. Always there but best seen with signal. What is the cause and how do I get rid of them? CRT is a 16bp4 tests good.
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Old 12-14-2007, 06:57 PM
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I dunno, but in your picture, the CRT looks very dim...
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Old 12-14-2007, 08:25 PM
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I don't know either, I have a couple sets that do this to one degree or another.
From what I've read I believe the problem in in the damper circuit somewhere.

Assuming you've already recapped this set?
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Old 12-14-2007, 09:11 PM
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If you have a Horizontal Drive control, try backing it off a bit.
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Old 12-14-2007, 10:20 PM
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If the drive has no effect and the damper is good, the yoke is usually to blame. You probably have an open or shorted capacitor in the yoke.

I think the technical name for this symptom is ringing. If i can find my service notes I may have some troubleshooting points for you to look at.
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Old 12-15-2007, 12:06 AM
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I dunno, but in your picture, the CRT looks very dim...
I dunno either,but YOUR PICTURE looks very dim...Could you take another a little brighter? I'm wondering if you are talking about Hum bars caused by a bad cap in the horizontal/damper circuits.

Someone mentioned a cap in the yoke. Thats a new one on me. I knew that there were a few resistors in a lot of yokes but wasnt aware of caps. Admittedly I have only popped the cover off of a few...
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Old 12-15-2007, 12:58 AM
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Yeah the picture is very dark, but that screen should be much more visible. If he had to make the room that dark just so we could see anything on the screen, his CRT is probably very tired...
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Old 12-15-2007, 07:39 AM
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I think the dark picture is just the camera. It's good in daylight and easy to watch. The set has been recapped and some resistors have been replaced. I did adjust both slugs (top and bottom) on the horiz. osc transformer to bring the horiz. frequencey in to range when I first got it working. I don't know if there is a balance between those two adjustment? I set the top slug in the middle and adjusted the bottom till the picture would lock in. I'll sniff around the damper and see if I can find anything thing.
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Old 12-15-2007, 11:00 AM
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Those pics are a bit better.

Hm, do the lines change at all? Do they look the same regardless of whether or not there's a signal? In both of your pics, the lines themselves look the same regardles of what picture is on the screen.
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Old 12-15-2007, 11:17 AM
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I'm pretty sure its a yoke network problem.

Terry: THe transformer can has two functions, phase and oscillator frequency. THe part of the transformer that's available to adjust on the back panel is the secondary of the transformer. It controls the oscillator frequency (horizontal hold) The primary of the transformer that adjusts from the under side of or underneath the chassis is for the horizontal phasing.

Usually the generic way to adjust it (the sams will tell you) is to pull the hoirz afc tube and adjust the oscillator so that instead of tearing the lines stand upright. Then you adjust the phase so that you can make the picture stand still as possible. When the tube goes back in everything should lock into place.

However, being that your picture looks good apart from the ringing I would leave it be.
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Old 12-15-2007, 11:26 AM
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I'll go with Jordan's idea, but if correct, the Horizontal Drive control should make changes you can see in those bars (make them worse and better.) That could then be one of the small disc caps in the rear of the yoke (if that set has them), or other horizontal sweep issues. But it isn't a bad yoke, if I had my guess at it.

If it's not changed in appearance by moving the drive control, then I'd go with a leaky cap someplace, particularly in the video circuit. If that's it, you should see the bars as a foreign waveform if you scope the B+ to the video circuits.

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Old 12-15-2007, 12:49 PM
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The bars don't change just easier to see with no video. There's some disortion in the picture as it pass the bars. This set use a trimmer cap to adjust the drive. I'll give that a shot.
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Old 12-15-2007, 01:47 PM
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I'm kinda wondering if the bars are a defect in the glass of the picture tube...

Or did the bars just appear there one day?
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Old 12-15-2007, 01:51 PM
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Pretty sure they have been there since I started on this project
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Old 12-15-2007, 05:03 PM
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Hey Terry, is there a lengthening or shortening of the image where the bars are? If this is a sweep-waveform problem, it would explain why the tube is darker in places, since a faster trace would cause less electrons to hit the phosphor, and would thus appear darker. My Fairfield had some minor distortion on the left side, but it didn't produce those dark bars.

Did you replace that nasty .01 cap across the H-waveform coil terminals? I can't remember if it was you or someone else who brought the subject up a while back. Anyway, my money is on the waveform adjustment slug in the H-osc can, don't remember for sure, but I think it's the bottom one...

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