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[Boobtubeman]

That PACKARD BELL 2118 a roundie?
I have the older 2116 as in my avatar and its a 53 also.. In fact, my SAMS covers the 2117, didnt know there was still roundies after my rectangular model. Hmmmmmm

SR

[Electronic M]

Originally Posted by Einar72

Tom, I made two heartfelt comments, and I really didn't expect a belly-full of feigned indignation about the Walker debacle, a la far-right echo machine.

It is not rush that spurred my comment about insulting me and my state, but rather it was the following that you posted during college finals and or a following move when I was ticked, but too busy to respond.

05-21-2012, 10:00 PM
Einar72
It is no surprise, considering what's happened in MI, WI, FL and OH. Someone has to vote these devils in, and it sure isn't thoughtful, caring folks with a sense of justice. If they're clueless enough to say something so moronic, imagine how they voted!
Last edited by Einar72; 05-21-2012 at 10:07 PM. Reason: Mellowed out initial thoughts

Originally Posted by Einar72

As far as Limbaugh goes, there is no defending this miserable lost soul. He is paid millions to spread a message designed to ultimately end our democracy and cede control to his global, corporatist handlers annoyed with our little exercise in democracy. Are you a father, Tom? If he said YOUR daughter had a face like a dog (like he did with Chelsea Clinton), would you still kiss the ground he soils upon? If he called YOUR daughter a slut, wouldn't you be a bit less of a disciple at this point? If you consider him worth defending, then I feel sorry for you.

If by "slut" you are talking about that female student from a Catholic college who expects the college to pay for her birth control (which goes against their beliefs and constitutional right of religious freedom) then I'll say this...As a half Baptist, half Catholic, Christian I don't hold that woman in high regard, and I heard what rush said before and after "slut"(he called her a whore too and WELL justified it with logic and no one complained about him calling her a whore which is IMHO a stronger pejorative). The other incident I don't know about or care about, and frankly the dems have slandered Palin (sometimes hiding behind comedy), also to an extent Bachman, so brutally and without reason that I feel sorry for you defending them(and no fake crying I'm serious!), what they have done goes far beyond Rush's mild insults into such disgusting vulgarity and misogyny that it should not even be uttered in the presence of children.
Also most companies would not be global if the dems had not regulated them off the face of the country.
As a hardline Wisconsin Tea Party Conservative your not gonna sway me. Especially after seeing WITH MY OWN EYES the contrast between the democratic union goons who wrecked the state capital after Walker's reforms(most were paid to come BTW) and Tea Party protesters at a major Milwaukee rally who came behaved civilly and left the place spick and span(This was the biggest crowd of people I've ever seen bigger than a state fair and all came simply form a small mention on the radio). Insulting me and the people I respect and admire because you disagree will not change my mind, though if you do it right I may mentally lump you in with the hired goons that have been patrolling my state.

Originally Posted by Einar72

Truly a waste of time and money, a voice of the people outspent 8-to-1 with a mere six-point spread as the result. I proudly contributed a few bucks here and there, just like many other NON-union folks across Wis. and America, unlike the handful of ultra-rich, many from foreign countries, who gave hundreds of millions to keep their lap-dog lackey in place.

You are wrong about the spending. The unions spent millions on behalf of Barret that that were not counted as campaign activity but rather union activity the spending was very close to even if you don't ignore that KEY detail.

One last thing for you to sit on is that walker took a strong conservative approach, improved the state(he turned a monsterous state deficit into a surplus, freed up localities and their school boards to get their budgets right[so right that property taxes have dropped and schools are hiring], and all only at the expense of making some public employees work under similar conditions to their private sector counterparts[they still have it {too?-}much better than their private sector counterparts and should count their blessings that Walker went easy on them]), he ran on his policy record and won.
Obama did an equally strong job making policy that swings completely the other way, but should he employ Walker's election strategy of running on policy record Obama will destroy his own chances of getting re-elected as the majority of Americans strongly dislike his defining policies.
In short Walker merely had to say 'look around you at the improvements I've made' but Obama will have to distract from his own record and try to convince America that he is not in fact the politician we have come to know. And don't get me started on Barret I go to school in Milwaukee and can rattle off a long tick list of that guy's garbage. I'm surprised that Milwaukee has not recalled him yet.

Originally Posted by Einar72

Let's leave it at that and get back to the great hobby of TV restoration that unites us on these web pages.

This we can agree upon, and had you not gone into politics in the first place I would have not responded.

Have a nice day!

[Electronic M]

Originally Posted by Sandy G

Guys, I WASN'T KIDDING w/my post above...You wanna argue politics, go to Political Chat, & have at it. Next one that says anything political, is gonna get some time on the bench. I'm SERIOUS. That's ENOUGH about this.

Opps! I did not see your post until just now I'll remove mine if asked.
Sorry!

Edit:I don't see a political chat section here. What are you making reference to?

[jr_tech]

Originally Posted by Boobtubeman

That PACKARD BELL 2118 a roundie?
I have the older 2116 as in my avatar and its a 53 also.. In fact, my SAMS covers the 2117, didnt know there was still roundies after my rectangular model. Hmmmmmm

SR

Yep! here is a pix from one of the inside pages of Photofact #204 - 7:



CRT is listed as a 24BP4.

jr

[Boobtubeman]

Hehehehe yep, ive seen that chassis before!!

Mine uses a 17HP4

SR

[jr_tech]

Originally Posted by Boobtubeman

Hehehehe yep, ive seen that chassis before!!

Mine uses a 17HP4

SR

Cool! I looked at the schematic halfway expecting to see a voltage doubler in the HV for the larger CRT, but it has just a single 1B3 supplying only 14.5 kV to the CRT... bet it wasn't super bright!

jr

[Reece]

jr. tech, that PacBell has the same more modern "flavor" as the big Zenith. With it turned off, at first glance you could take it for a color roundie of the sixties or seventies.

[jr_tech]

Originally Posted by Reece

jr. tech, that PacBell has the same more modern "flavor" as the big Zenith. With it turned off, at first glance you could take it for a color roundie of the sixties or seventies.

Interesting perspective!
I guess that if I saw the two sets side-by-side, I would judge the Zenith to be a later model (perhaps as late as the late 50s) and the Packard Bell to be earlier (like '51 or '52)... If brand names were not visible, I would likely conclude that they represented samples over a time spread from the same manufacturer. I might mistake the Packard Bell for a CTC-4 clone, but not anything much later than that.
I agree that both sets very much exhibit a certain "timeless elegance", but the mahogany finish shouts "50s" to me.

jr

[Einar72]

Originally Posted by Electronic M

Opps! I did not see your post until just now I'll remove mine if asked.
Sorry!

Edit:I don't see a political chat section here. What are you making reference to?

Tom, go over to AK, find the thread and wish our good freind Sandy a happy birthday

[Reece]

Right about mahogany, which in those days was real veneer and solids. So much later on was photofaked imitating walnut.

[Electronic M]

Originally Posted by Einar72

Tom, go over to AK, find the thread and wish our good freind Sandy a happy birthday

I don't have an account on AK, and have not had enough reason/motivation to do so yet.

[ChrisW6ATV]

Originally Posted by Einar72

So, grab... some leaded solder and have at it!

I consider myself to be RoHS-resistant.

[Einar72]

And what better band to listen to while re-capping with LEADED on a Saturday than LED Zeppelin?

http://kzok.cbslocal.com/2012/05/18/lunch-with-led/

[Reece]

Looking in the back of the PacBel: that plywood box holding up the CRT seems like overkill. Suppose there's nothing "in" the box? Could have been done with just a strut or two.

[DavGoodlin]

Originally Posted by jr_tech

Cool! I looked at the schematic halfway expecting to see a voltage doubler in the HV for the larger CRT, but it has just a single 1B3 supplying only 14.5 kV to the CRT... bet it wasn't super bright!

jr

14.5 kV of "picture power" on a big tube would not be very bright

I wonder what the Zenith's voltage isas they were traditionally judged as having the best (brightest?) pictures

Checking back on my Tab Books color TV service manuals for the different makes from 1964-1975, I noticed the HIGHEST - 29 kV was
in Zenith sets, specifically the 1973-75 CCII 25DC57, 25EC58 etc

PS Happy Birthday Sandy G, My Grandad's B-day was today he'd be 102 and probably on his 5th Zenith!