1954 Admiral C2226 project

[Ncotham]

Originally Posted by Kevin Kuehn

I have a 21A3Z chassis setting here that I was keeping for the strong testing 21AMP4B. I was hoping to use that CRT as a backup for my RCA console, only I'm having outside edge focus issue when I try it in my set. I'm still hoping to get to the bottom of that problem, not really sure what causes it. I've also stolen some ferrite slugs out of the IF coils to fix another set, so it's not exactly a prime candidate for an easy restoration at this point. The Sams for this chassis is dated 4-55, set 275- folder 2. I can take measurements off of this chassis if that would help in any way. I'm thinking these mid 50's Admirals should be pretty common. Hold out for a while, and one will likely surface in your area. I'd hate to thing of having one shipped by UPS or such. I didn't notice where you are located?

Hi Kevin,
Did some measurements of the shaft holes in the C2226 trim. 14 1/2" between the volume and tuner hole centers, 6 1/2" between the tone and horizontal hold hole centers, and 4" between the brightness and vertical hold hole centers as best as I can tell with a tape measurer. If you have time to see if your 21A3Z shafts match up pretty close, that would be great. I'm in NW Arkansas, so I could make the drive to Omaha and back in a day to pick up the FA2326Z, but that would still be close to a couple hundred bucks in gas. I'm beginning to wonder if this whole exercise of trying to substitute a 21B3Z chassis for the C2226 model is worth the uncertainty based on the differences in the tube dimensions. The seller on Ebay says the TV will "power up" but there's "no picture". I asked her if she means that there's nothing at all on the screen or if she gets any light or snow at all. Still waiting on a reply, but if there's snow coming up on the screen then this may still be promising.

[Ncotham]

OK, I got clever and downloaded the photo of the FA2326Z from Ebay and then took a new photo of my C2226 from a similar angle. Started playing in Photoshop and scaled the two photos so the TVs were the same size and overlayed the two photos with tranparency. The knobs lined up, but the FA2326Z bezel opening height was was clearly taller than that of the C2226 which would go along with the tube dimensions. I'm sad to say that I think this is going to be a bit too much of a stretch to retrofit the FA2326Z chassis and tube into the C2226. *sigh* The wait continues. Thanks again for the help, everyone.

[Ncotham]

OMG OMG OMG! What do you guys think of this 1954 C2246 21" as a possibility for a replacement chassis for my C2226?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...oQeVcaKgP3I2ow

Does anyone have sams data on this model or possibly know the chassis number? The guy says the tube needs to be replaced, but otherwise was in working condition. He wants $275 which seems a might steep, plus I'd have to drive from Arkansas to Wisconsin to pick it up... BUT, if it has a chassis that will work and is in the condition that's described, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

What say you guys?

Thanks!
Neil

[Eric H]

Well the CRT looks more squared off to me, perhaps it's just the angle, if they are both 1954 I can't imagine it being more square, it could be one of the Cylindrical tubes though like the 21ZP4 (I think that's one of them).

$275 is highway robbery for that set but I can understand paying it in your case, I paid more than that to have my "Family set" shipped across county White Glove style.

[Ncotham]

Hi Eric,
I took a photo of mine from a similar angle and compared - they look pretty much the same with the camera perspective skewing all the angles. Fingers crossed!
Thanks,
Neil

[Steve D.]

Here's a link to a 1954 Admiral photo of model C2236 from the TV History site. Probably the same chassis but different cabinet style:http://www.tvhistory.tv/1954-Admiral-C2236A.JPG

Also from the TV History site is Admiral model:CA2246 which is listed as a 1955 model: http://www.tvhistory.tv/1955-Admiral-CA2246.JPG

-Steve D.

[Kevin Kuehn]

Originally Posted by Ncotham

Hi Kevin,
Did some measurements of the shaft holes in the C2226 trim. 14 1/2" between the volume and tuner hole centers, 6 1/2" between the tone and horizontal hold hole centers, and 4" between the brightness and vertical hold hole centers as best as I can tell with a tape measurer. If you have time to see if your 21A3Z shafts match up pretty close, that would be great. I'm in NW Arkansas, so I could make the drive to Omaha and back in a day to pick up the FA2326Z, but that would still be close to a couple hundred bucks in gas. I'm beginning to wonder if this whole exercise of trying to substitute a 21B3Z chassis for the C2226 model is worth the uncertainty based on the differences in the tube dimensions. The seller on Ebay says the TV will "power up" but there's "no picture". I asked her if she means that there's nothing at all on the screen or if she gets any light or snow at all. Still waiting on a reply, but if there's snow coming up on the screen then this may still be promising.

Neil,

Sorry for not responding earlier, I was not ignoring you. I somehow lost track of your thread and never seen your above post.

It does look like the shaft spacing on my 21A3Z chassis are the same as your measurements. Also the middle of the CRT sets up 12 1/4" from the chassis base, 20 1/2" to the top of the CRT. Happy to take any more measurements for you. Again sorry for not paying better attention and feel free to send me a pm wake up call.

[Eric H]

If you look at the pictures in the links provided by Steve D there's no doubt that the CRT is more squared off on the 1955 set.

The spacing on the controls appears to be different also, different chassis numbers as well.

[Steve D.]

Found this ad for the Admiral C2246. Advertised as a 1954 model but probably built in late 1954 and also sold in the 1955 model line up:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...2BJI4Y%2BL.jpg
Eric is correct in that this set may not fit your Admiral C2226.
IMO,the seller wants way to much for his C2246.

-Steve D.

[Kevin Kuehn]

Models CA2236 and CA2246 are both covered in Sams 266-1. CA2236 uses chassis 19L2, while CA2246 uses 19WB1. CRT's listed are 21WP4, 21ZP4A,B and 17BP4. Doesn't say which CRT goes in which chassis. [edit] Looking at the Sams, it looks like these sets only use 3 controls behind the center pencil box door.

[Ncotham]

Originally Posted by Kevin Kuehn

Neil,

Sorry for not responding earlier, I was not ignoring you. I somehow lost track of your thread and never seen your above post.

It does look like the shaft spacing on my 21A3Z chassis are the same as your measurements. Also the middle of the CRT sets up 12 1/4" from the chassis base, 20 1/2" to the top of the CRT. Happy to take any more measurements for you. Again sorry for not paying better attention and feel free to send me a pm wake up call.

Hi Kevin,
Thanks so much for having a look, but I had pretty much ruled out the 21x3Z chassis because even though it's still a 21", the tube height dimensions were considerably taller, or more square overall. I just checked the C2226 cabinet and it looks like the measurement from the chassis tray up to the center of the tube glass is just over 11". No worries - Again, I'm thankful you took the time to try and help out:-)
Cheers,
Neil

[Ncotham]

Thanks again everybody - looks like this was another false alarm. Gosh dangit, it's so darn distressing to look for months and finally think you have something only to find out some fiddly bit ain't right. I think the three control design behind the pencil box door Kevin pointed out explains my main concern, which was the door did look considerably smaller than what's on the C2226. You guys excuse me while I go walk this off. Ughhhhh... Guess I'll keep looking, but this was tremendously discouraging to say the least. Again, really appreciate everyone's help. You guys are great:-)
Best regards,
Neil

[RobtWB]

hello
free if u want or need it
come and get it
Admiral Super Cascode
Model CA2327ZN
chassis 21B3Z Run14
it worked 2 yr ago

tv has been in my utility room for at least 2 yrs
looks reasonably good for an old blondie
i did wipe off most of the grunge u see in picture

[Kevin Kuehn]

21B3Z should have a 21AMP4 CRT. It's covered in Sams 275-2 along with my 21A3Z.

[Ncotham]

Thanks Rob, Kevin, yeah that 21AMP4 CRT is an inch taller than the 21ZP4-B used in the C2226. Rob, I think your chassis would fit as far as the controls go, but it was designed for the squarer, taller CRT, so the tube center would sit too high in my cabinet, unfortunately. I certainly appreciate the offer!