Dwight Eisenhower dedication to WRC-TV May 22 1958 presentation available on Veoh.com

[Sandy G]

Thanks ! That "'splains" it...I'd kinda thought it was just me...Its REALLY evident in images from the JFK assasination/funeral, along w/obvious optical distortions, people look "pulled" or "squashed"....Funny, you didn't see the "optical" artifacts when color came along, either...I never recall seeing the "edges" of the lens in a colorcast like you do so often in the old B&W work...

[vallieone]

What a great treasure!!

Thanks for sharing this with us

[W.B.]

Originally Posted by Sandy G

Funny, you didn't see the "optical" artifacts when color came along, either...I never recall seeing the "edges" of the lens in a colorcast like you do so often in the old B&W work...

Actually, a few colorcasts did have "optical" artifacts, though by and large they weren't nearly as commonplace (as you noted) as when B&W was king:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWarSBAE3FM (at points 0:09 and 1:03, sort of emerald greenish, courtesy one of the Norelco PC-70 cameras*)
* One of WABC Channel 7 New York's Ikegami HK-312C cameras, as of 1983, had similar artifacts, only magenta-ish; that was on a 1983 Eyewitness News opening teaser that has since been taken off YouTube.

[old_tv_nut]

Originally Posted by W.B.

Actually, a few colorcasts did have "optical" artifacts, though by and large they weren't nearly as commonplace (as you noted) as when B&W was king:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWarSBAE3FM (at points 0:09 and 1:03, sort of emerald greenish, courtesy one of the Norelco PC-70 cameras*)
* One of WABC Channel 7 New York's Ikegami HK-312C cameras, as of 1983, had similar artifacts, only magenta-ish; that was on a 1983 Eyewitness News opening teaser that has since been taken off YouTube.

OK, in all that smear, oversaturation, tape artifacts and MPEG artifacts, what emerald greenish artifact do you mean? Are you pointing out the forehead highlight that is clipping and turning greenish, or something else?

[old_tv_nut]

Originally Posted by Sandy G

Thanks ! That "'splains" it...I'd kinda thought it was just me...Its REALLY evident in images from the JFK assasination/funeral, along w/obvious optical distortions, people look "pulled" or "squashed"....Funny, you didn't see the "optical" artifacts when color came along, either...I never recall seeing the "edges" of the lens in a colorcast like you do so often in the old B&W work...

B&W cameras would often be run overscanned even on the air. Overscanning was used to prevent burning a raster into the image orthicons. However, image orthicon color cameras weren't pristine out to the corners either, as can be seen if you look at the color Howdy Doody show on a 16x9 set, which shows the complete 4x3 picture with nothing hidden in overscan on the left or right.

[W.B.]

Originally Posted by old_tv_nut

OK, in all that smear, oversaturation, tape artifacts and MPEG artifacts, what emerald greenish artifact do you mean? Are you pointing out the forehead highlight that is clipping and turning greenish, or something else?

I'm referring to the top- and bottom-most edges (at left and right) of the screen in those time positions (circular in nature, probably the edge of the lens; reminds me of circular edges of camera lens in B&W TV cameras where there's black on the "outer" part of the frame). B.T.W., the "oversaturation" may've been attributable to its having been recorded off the air at home. Professionally recorded (i.e. at the station) material would've had color as subtle as that 1958 WRC studio dedication.

And here's what I mean (with arrows pointing to the areas in question):

[old_tv_nut]

Oh - OK, does look like overscan. The HDK1000 studio hi-def camera we had in the 90's used a built in slide for automatic alignment, which always resulted in scanning within the physical limits of the faceplate. Since the raster was perfectly aligned every time, there was no chance of seeing the edge of a "worn" area either.

[Aussie Bloke]

Originally Posted by W.B.

Actually, a few colorcasts did have "optical" artifacts, though by and large they weren't nearly as commonplace (as you noted) as when B&W was king:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWarSBAE3FM (at points 0:09 and 1:03, sort of emerald greenish, courtesy one of the Norelco PC-70 cameras*)
* One of WABC Channel 7 New York's Ikegami HK-312C cameras, as of 1983, had similar artifacts, only magenta-ish; that was on a 1983 Eyewitness News opening teaser that has since been taken off YouTube.

I couldn't help but notice news anchorman Jim Hale has a striking resemblance to that Ron Burgundy character from Anchorman, I bet any money the directors of that movie based the looks of Ron Burgundy off Jim.

[goodiesguy]

Originally Posted by Aussie Bloke

found the entire presentation on the video site Veoh.com on this page http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/ca...1020606nr3MbJG , and it gets better, if you install Veoh Web Player, you can download the whole presentation which so happens to be in DVD MPEG 6000kbps variable bitrate quality interlaced. I did that and put it to disc and watched it on my telly in fantastic quality, it was thrilling to watch and see how fantastic colour television looked way back in the 50s, the quality is compariable to 70s/80s plumbicon pictures, the colours were nice and rich too.

Does anyone have the DVD mpeg? I tried Veoh but even installing the Veoh Player (various versions) wouldn't let me download. Would love to actually see this with it's original "Video-tape" look as it's a pretty momentus ocasion in history.

[sweitzel]

I have it hosted on my private web host.
Please PM me if you would like the link to download.

[stromberg6]

Thank You Aussie Bloke for the links. I had long heard of the legendary Kitchen Debate, but had never read the transcript, let alone seen the actual recording. I'll play it for a nephew who is fluent in Russian to get a better handle on the Russian.
Kevin

[stromberg6]

Originally Posted by classicradios

That was great, Thanks for the links! I just downloaded and watched the program on the Roundie.

That Zenith is sweet! How old? Model number please?

[old_tv_nut]

Here is a press photo of Ike being shown the control room at WRC on the day he did the color dedication.

[Einar72]

A huge thank you to all who made this possible! Acknowledgement and acclaim are earned in spades here. What I took away, after the shiny 1958 cars and gleaming tower gave way to the speeches, was two words General Sarnoff said: "Fellow workers". All the years I've studied Sarnoff, I had the impression he was a hard, heartless man, described to a T in PBS' "Empire of the air". I actually felt a little heart-warmed when he addressed his employees that way. Next was Ike, beaming with pride at America's technological superiority of the moment, smiling and chatty after having spoken. Lastly, was the voice of a younger David Brinkley, whom, at the same time, beamed though the Bendix in my parents' humble rented half-duplex on Seattle's then totally un-hip Capitol Hill. Unlike many of you, I remember where I was when I learned of Ike's untimely passing. Thank you again for a job well done!

[David Roper]

I remember too--our teacher had set up one of the school's two Bakelite GE consoles in the classroom so that we could all watch a new show show called Sesame Street but instead the channel supposedly carrying it was showing Ike's funeral coverage. Boo!