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Steve Hoffman · #16 05-16-2005, 06:34 PM

Well, I have four roundies already... If it stays low I'll pick it up but if one of you want it for sure please post here.

Jonathan · #17 05-16-2005, 11:38 PM

I definately want it, even if it has a tube that is going gassy. I never bid yet because I want it to stay low. Though, if you happen to get it, would ypu resell it to me?

Jonathan

Steve Hoffman · #18 05-17-2005, 12:11 AM

Jonathan,

By all means, go for it. Hopefully it will stay low. I hope you get it; it could be a peach restored.

Steve D. · #19 05-17-2005, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Hoffman

Jonathan,

By all means, go for it. Hopefully it will stay low. I hope you get it; it could be a peach restored.

Ditto!

-Steve D.

yagosaga · #20 05-17-2005, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan

I definately want it, even if it has a tube that is going gassy.

This is only one reason for a dim picture. The former metal cone crts had problems with going gassy. But I assume that this set has a 21CYP22 crt, an all glas tube. If this is going gassy, it is imploding. ;-)
There are a lot of other reasons for a dim picture: low high voltage or focus, bad crt screen voltage, low IF amplifying and so on. I think, a dim picture is a good sign that with a little adjustment you can get a clear and bright picture.
BTW: read the questions. The seller will crate it and ship it if you are willing to pay the additional handlings.

Jonathan · #21 05-17-2005, 01:40 AM

Thanks so much guys!

This is greatly appreciated.

yagosaga · #22 05-17-2005, 03:05 AM

For comparison, see the screenshots of other early color tv sets on ebay. Only a minority has not dim and fuzzy pictures. I have collected them in my cache:

http://bs.cyty.com/menschen/e-etzold...ache/cache.htm

(I keep this cache online for one week, after that the files will be erased.)

polaraman · #23 05-17-2005, 05:55 AM

Jonathan,

I would go for the CTC 4. Much better set. More collector value in the future.

polaraman

yagosaga · #24 05-17-2005, 07:27 AM

Jonathan,

take both!

veg-o-matic · #25 05-17-2005, 08:14 AM

Jonathan!

How on earth are you going to get a 150 lb TV shipped across the country for only 172 bucks? Who are you using? We'll all want to know! Considering how much I've paid in the past to get a set shipped halfway across the country, this is a huge bargain!

veg

Chad Hauris · #26 05-17-2005, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by yagosaga

This is only one reason for a dim picture. The former metal cone crts had problems with going gassy. But I assume that this set has a 21CYP22 crt, an all glas tube. If this is going gassy, it is imploding. ;-)
There are a lot of other reasons for a dim picture: low high voltage or focus, bad crt screen voltage, low IF amplifying and so on. I think, a dim picture is a good sign that with a little adjustment you can get a clear and bright picture.
BTW: read the questions. The seller will crate it and ship it if you are willing to pay the additional handlings.

Yes these are valid causes of dim picture but in most cases of a dim picture I have seen, a weak CRT (low emission) has been the problem.

frenchy · #27 05-17-2005, 10:34 AM

<<Yes these are valid causes of dim picture but in most cases of a dim picture I have seen, a weak CRT (low emission) has been the problem.>>

But as far as an average-joe seller calling a set this old "dim", I'd have to chalk it up to a.) needs recapped especially when this old and probably has wax caps thruout, b.) tired tube or two or three, c.) might need other parts and adjustments and d.) these 21ax sets are pretty darn dim even when fixed up and with good picture tubes, compared to a modern set that can be used to light a room. It was pretty common back then for tv repair books to recommend that color sets not be installed in bright rooms, you should close the shades etc., which just hasn't been considered a problem at all the last couple of decades. Heck even if a tv is advertised as 'dead' that hasn't stopped me from buying them and I've been able to fix every one of them, so "dim" would never be a deterent either (unless maybe if it has already been restored and I saw it in person and could see the tube was shot)...Frenchy

yagosaga · #28 05-17-2005, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad Hauris

Yes these are valid causes of dim picture but in most cases of a dim picture I have seen, a weak CRT (low emission) has been the problem.

Thats what I found with sets of the 1960s and 1970s. They usually had weak crts. I have seen many tv sets from the 1950s (b/w), but I never found a set with a weak crt. The emissions of these old crts were such oversized that they didn't get weak in the lifetime of the set. (That's my observation with German tv sets of this era, but with respect only to b/w sets.)

frenchy · #29 05-17-2005, 05:59 PM

Added factors on late 50s and early 60's color sets were:
- Lousy regulation, leading to horrible blooming if you tried turning the brightness up too high, or picture might look fine on a brightness setting, then boom, real bright scene comes on and blooms like crazy and you have to crank it down a little.
- not the best retrace line suppression, compared to modern sets where it's unheard of to see retrace lines no matter the setting.
So even if a tube back then was capable of being brighter, you couldn't just crank it up without running into consequences due to limitations of the chassis, separate from the crt itself...Frenchy

andy · #30 05-17-2005, 09:00 PM

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