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Old 12-03-2005, 01:07 PM
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This site covers the BBC TV coverage of Queen Elizabeth's coronation in June, 1953. 2 June 1953 - Coronation Dayhttp://www.apts.org.uk/coronation.htm

-Steve D.
There’s one thing I think the link left out. There’s a story going around that the 405-line broadcast was being monitored here in the hope that skip would bring live coverage to the U.S., albeit however fleeting. There was a 405 to 525-line converter in the loop on this side of the pond. I don’t recall what network anymore, but it must have been either CBS or NBC. Their live broadcast of the attempt delivered nothing but live snow/noise of the BBC TV channel frequency.

The story is more than just speculation. That June day I glued myself to the family’s 16-inch Silvertone to watch the attempt. All that you could see though was live snow/noise over the Philadelphia channel reporting on the attempt. As far as I could tell, they never picked up so much as a sync pulse that day, and certainly never a hint of BBC video. I don’t remember any state-side chatter that day about a color broadcast.
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Old 12-03-2005, 03:09 PM
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I've asked some of the folks at the BBC for some info about the color coverage/format... we'll see what the response is. I'm a little curious, myself!

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Old 12-04-2005, 03:58 PM
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And here's our answer: according to UK TV expert Andy Henderson, the 1953 o/b colour experiment was demonstrated and provided by PYE & the BBC, and limited to a few cameras at key points. It was relayed to Great Ormond Street Children's Hospital.

Now there's a closed circuit broadcast I would have liked to see!!

To fuzz the issue a little, however, in searching Google, I note that there are conflicting statements about the format used: Ed Reitan maintains that it was CBS sequential, whereas an ex-BBC employee was told by his boss that he had operated an imported RCA color camera during the coronation ceremonies.

I'm told that someone has a photo that includes one of the color camera positions along the coronation route... they've offered to scan the photo, and I'll let you now what it shows.

-Kevin

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Old 12-04-2005, 05:14 PM
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Incidentally-- off the topic of the Coronation, but back on the thread topic, here's something else that most of you probably missed the first time around-- it's one of the few known color photos of the original "Price is Right"... just as it would've looked on the old CTCs...

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Old 12-04-2005, 06:09 PM
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Incidentally-- off the topic of the Coronation, but back on the thread topic, here's something else that most of you probably missed the first time around-- it's one of the few known color photos of the original "Price is Right"... just as it would've looked on the old CTCs...

-Kevin

before we got color my dad took me to a tv store one night and the price is right was on in color! almost had to drag me out of the store
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Old 12-04-2005, 07:51 PM
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Just a little more on the sub-topic of the 1953 Coronation:

Information from James Russell, of colourisation.com:

"Pye Ltd. demonstrated a 150 frame sequential 405 line closed circuit system at Guy's Hospital in 1950 by sequential additive colour scanning using three-colour rotating discs on both the camera and the receiver. The bandwidth requred was 9 Meg. It was later, in the same year, installed at St. Thomas's Hospital, London.

For the Coronation procession, Pye installed cameras on the roof of a building in Parliament Square and connected by 575 Mc/s radio link to great Ormand street. On the previous day, two directly-viewed receivers were used to give pictures of 16in by 12in and a projection set to give 4 ft by 3 ft. Excellent pictures were seen, the definition and the colour rendering both being good. The colour tubes were of the Lawrence type ( Chromatic Television Inc )."

Additionally, he mentions that a 3D Film documentary was also made of the Coronation.

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Old 12-04-2005, 08:07 PM
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A dumb question, perhaps, but...Y'all know how impertinent I am : Wonder if anybody thought to actually TRY the trans-Atlantic/color set-up BEFORE it happened, you know, sort of a "dry-run"/rehearsal or something? One of the most important events of '53, everybody knew about it for months in advance, looks like SOMEBODY woulda thunk about this...-Sandy G.
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Old 12-04-2005, 09:34 PM
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Was the coronation the event that was 'scooped' by lil' old ABC? Seems I read they had a special connection set up with the CBC which had a direct link to the BBC.
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Old 12-05-2005, 12:58 AM
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The stories at the time indicate that the real race for Coronation footage was between CBS & NBC... what there was of ABC at that time **may** have had some arrangement with CBC, but they would have also had to wait until the first films were flown over from the UK, since there was no possibility of Canada having a live broadcast link back then.

And I think CBS won the race, IIRC...

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Old 12-05-2005, 02:27 AM
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At my father's mother I got an color tv set in 1984 (color broadcasting for the big audience started in Romania 1983)-the set was my vintage Telecolor 3007 . After my parents divorce in 1989, I use untill December the 12, 2000 am B&W set!!! Frankly, untill I got my color set, it dinn't bother me to watch B&W.
@Joel Cairo: nice pic.
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Old 12-05-2005, 11:17 AM
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Echoing the others on the pic. I thanked you on the Game Show Forum not knowing you were here too! So no matter where you are, thanks for the history.

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Old 12-05-2005, 09:38 PM
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Incidentally-- off the topic of the Coronation, but back on the thread topic, here's something else that most of you probably missed the first time around-- it's one of the few known color photos of the original "Price is Right"... just as it would've looked on the old CTCs...

-Kevin
Was the set really all cyan and orange, or is that just the photo? More recent incarnations are much more vaired in color.
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Old 12-06-2005, 12:44 AM
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The pic is indeed accurate-- I've got the only other known surviving color images (two 35mm slides, taken by a tourist who attended an episode of the show) and the colors are the same.

The original of the pic I posted has (sadly) actually started to fade-- I had to correct a significant green shift before I posted the scan.

-Kevin
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Old 12-06-2005, 01:11 AM
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For us it was the 1968 Olympic's Dad wanted to see the fights in color the Blood he figured there would be a lot of blood. Well from what I remember Clay kocked everyone out so early there wasn't any blood LOL..

It was a Zenith must have been about 23 inches. Nice set real wood.

Mom worked all summer as a row boss in the strawberry and bean fields around here to pay for it. Made us kids hate picking stuff even more if that was possible. Oh well I made a lot of school cloths money and stuffed a bunch in my little savings account for those years before starting hourly farm work at 12.
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