Can you believe this?

[Electronic M]

Originally Posted by tubesrule

I've never understood this Steve and have had several conversations myself with people about this. You tell them that the chassis used many miniature tubes that weren't available until during or after the war and they shrug it off. You then get the line "well the cabinets were made pre-war and then stored in a warehouse until after the war". So how did they design a cabinet before the war that was to small to fit any chassis design of the time that used all octal tubes? Do people really think this is how engineering works, the cabinet is designed and then a chassis is made to fit? I guess Vassos had a crystal ball so he was able to designed the cabinet ahead of time :/ Like you say, convincing them of this is futile. Let them believe what they want.

Darryl

Not claiming to be in the prewar camp, but a few 'devil's advocate' arguments come to mind. While there is no way Vassos would know the chassis size and layout years in advance and no way the cabinets were made pre-war, there is still a possibility that the design could have been drawn up pre-war. A drawing with no actual dimensions, but rather proportion ratios for the cabinet could have been drawn up, and after the war when the chassis was designed the control layout, CRT and speaker placement could have been made to fit a cabinet of the proportional design scaled to fit the chassis...

I'd wager more than a few chassis were only at best half designed before the cabinet team gave them some specks to build to.

[Jon A.]

Who knows, the Apple III cabinet was designed before the motherboard, but that's a whole different animal.

[Robb]

Fake.

[Joe Connor]

Here's the real kick in the butt: some doofus on craigslist or ebay or at an estate sale will have a 621TS for sale, will do his/her "research" and stumble upon this completed sale, and will set a $7.600 price on the set. No power on heaven or earth will be able to persuade the doofus seller that the set is worth only a fraction of that price.

[rca2000]

Originally Posted by Steve McVoy

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-1940...item19f27070d0

Alll it takes is two fools.

Steve...correct me if I am wrong...but didn't a couple of 621 sell this May at the swap meet--for 1K or less--Not working of course--but THAT one did not seem to either !! I was there...and sold a CTC 7 with a very good tube.

[tubesrule]

Originally Posted by Electronic M

Not claiming to be in the prewar camp, but a few 'devil's advocate' arguments come to mind. While there is no way Vassos would know the chassis size and layout years in advance and no way the cabinets were made pre-war, there is still a possibility that the design could have been drawn up pre-war. A drawing with no actual dimensions, but rather proportion ratios for the cabinet could have been drawn up, and after the war when the chassis was designed the control layout, CRT and speaker placement could have been made to fit a cabinet of the proportional design scaled to fit the chassis...

I agree that the basic cabinet design could have been done anytime, and may have indeed been designed before the war. It's when people take a leap and then concoct these stories about the cabinets being made before the war and warehoused or the entire set being a pre-war design where it comes off the tracks.

Darryl

[rca2000]

Can't really be a Pre-War--it has a flyback horiz ckt. Pre-war sets used line-powered HV_-like the TRK sets , or the RA-101. !!

[Steve McVoy]

rca2000, that doesn't disqualify it as prewar. The German E1 used a flyback:

http://www.earlytelevision.org/e1.html

However, the comments above by tubesrule make it absolutely clear that this set was designed and built after the war.

[vintagecollect]

true
idiot
will
take
20
years
to
get
money
back if so lucky
!!!!

A prewar tv sold a year or so ago for only $1900!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

[Steve McVoy]

rca2000 - yes, two 621s, one in really fine condition, sold for around $800.

vintagecollect - I wasn't aware of a prewar set selling for $1900. Can you provide details?

[vintagecollect]

No offense, don't you already have most of the prewars TVs that exist, let other people enjoy and cherish history too.........

[tubesrule]

Originally Posted by vintagecollect

No offense, don't you already have most of the prewars TVs that exist, let other people enjoy and cherish history too.........

I think Steve, like most of us, just wants to stay abreast of what's going on in the hobby. I know I do. To say a pre-war set recently sold for $1900 and then provide no details certainly makes me curious.

Darryl

[Electronic M]

Better than 1.9Kilobucks, IIRC someone on here found a prewar Andrea at an estate sale for less than 100$ (I wish I had that kind of luck).

[Eric H]

Originally Posted by Electronic M

Better than 1.9Kilobucks, IIRC someone on here found a prewar Andrea at an estate sale for less than 100$ (I wish I had that kind of luck).

I was looking for that thread. It was $75 but he talked them down to $25. The set was pretty rough but that was still a bargain.

[kvflyer]

Originally Posted by tubesrule

I think Steve, like most of us, just wants to stay abreast of what's going on in the hobby. I know I do. To say a pre-war set recently sold for $1900 and then provide no details certainly makes me curious.

Darryl

And it makes me curious as well. Providing a link would certainly be helpful.