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tentoze · #1 05-06-2005, 03:29 PM

This may not be a strictly "radio" question, but couldn't figure out where else to put it. Anyone here know anything about these? I just saw one in a thrift, never seen or heard of it before. Worth fooling around with?

bgadow · #2 05-06-2005, 03:41 PM

They use a special needle that cuts (burns?) the groove, they use a special disc to record on. Good blank discs can be hard to come by, I've seen some where the coating will crack. (they are a metal disk covered with some sort of shellac or whatever) I've also heard that the crystal stylus can be trouble. They can be made to work though. Got a pile of portable Recordios/Recordettes and their competitors. Never tried to record anything with one. I do have some old recordings. The ones I have don't sound like much but I guess they were better than nothing. A bunch of radio/phonos from the 40s offered disc recording options. There, told you more than I know!

tubino · #3 05-06-2005, 04:03 PM

I've got a couple of those I need to uh, get rid of. PM me if interested!!!

blue_lateral · #4 05-06-2005, 08:23 PM

Yeah, it is hard to find blanks. I used to have a meissner one like this. I Think the Wilcox-Gay has the same turntable and tonearms. It did have a crystal cartridge and it was bad, but I found a replacement. The cutting head was bad, I was never able to find a replacement for that.

John

tentoze · #5 05-06-2005, 09:29 PM

Okay, guys- I didn't really know anything about it when I saw it- more of a curiosity. I wouldn't have any interest in actually recording stuff with one- it got my attention because it had tubes and a radio in it, and I didn't know if it was worth $25- now I'm thinking no.

*Bill Cahill* · #6 07-08-2005, 05:53 AM

Hi, guys. Couldn't help, but, reply to this question. First,let me tell you that there is a reliable guy in Florida who re-builds crystal cartridges, including the high voltage crystal recording cutter used in manny machines. He's not cheap, but, he is good. Periodically, he lists items on ebay, usually under Other phonographs, an off-shoot of collectables, radio, television, phonographs,telephones. That photo is of a Recordeo. I have one that doesn't have the radio. They were not great units. The special audio transformer used in Recordios tended to short out. Others didn't always use the same circuit, and may be more reliable. Recordio got themselves a rather bad reputation. Well deserved, from what I learn. Discs: Hard to find. Needles: Came in several qualities, from cheapest, good for only one recording session, to the best, saphire,good for several reccording sessions. If you are squemish about this, I'd say just skip re-building cutter. Of course, a fully working machine is worth more. Recording is tricky. Volume is important, as is weight of cutter, dependent on type of disc used on recording, and type of cutting needle. The recordette burned the recordings. That tended to dammage the crystal. Recordio didn't care. Does this help????? If I may make my own quote of another forum member, here goes.. "I may be growing older, but, I refuse to grow up!"

Chad Hauris · #7 07-08-2005, 06:30 AM

We have an Airline home disc recorder at the shop...had the cutting head rebuilt by someone who specializes in it (can't remember exactly who). We also bought some new blank discs...it does record, but there is some hiss on the playback...can't explain why. Have heard some records made on machines like this that sound pretty good, though.

*Bill Cahill* · #8 07-08-2005, 01:46 PM

Immediately, 2 things come to mind. Is audio hiss there all the time, or, only when needle is on your recording playing it?? There could be one of 2 things wrong. 1 an amplifier problem causing the hiss. May be a noisy tube. or, 2 your weight of recording cutter is too heavy. This is usually adjustable via a screw near front of top of recording arm. You also don't want "holes" in your recording. These are spots where groove cutting stopped, and started. Usually caused by combination of too much weight, and worn recording needle. I assume you also know that the flat spot on recording needle was intended to be where screw on front of arm held it in.

Glad to see someone else is interested in recording. This can be fun, and the results are rewarding. The last disc recording that I did as an experiment 21 years ago I reccorded a favorite 2 min. cylinder recording of mine. Still have that disc. Can you tell me where I can pick up more cutting needles, and good aluminum shelac blanks? 10", and 12". Magic eye tubes, by the way, are not terribly accurate at telling volume.

Chad Hauris · #9 07-08-2005, 03:33 PM

We will have to try it again...thanks for suggestions. Unit works O.K. on playback of commercially recorded records. I will find out from my business partner on where we got our supplies from...seems like we were able to get needles and different types of discs from the person who rebuilt the cutting head.

*Bill Cahill* · #10 07-09-2005, 10:04 PM

Another question comes to mind. Did you re-build the amplofier? The old caps are leaky, and could conceivably be causing your immediate problem. I'd re-cap whole thing, and put in neww electrolytics, as well, to bring power aupply up to full potential......

Now, as for quality, how well is it actually playing? If un-rebuilt, it can't be great. Some people think that if it "makes noise" it's doing great...As for me, Knowing what the full potential can be, I opt for bringing them back to factory specs.

So, let's all have fun with "our toys". But, as when younger, these gems of the past need proper maintennance.

*Bill Cahill* · #11 07-12-2005, 12:13 PM

Don't mind me, guys. I get caried away. I love the old stuff.

*Bill Cahill* · #12 07-31-2005, 04:31 PM

How did your shop repair go? Any luck?
Need help on a sick Recordio portable. Anyone got one with rough cloth coverred case they want to get rid of? Mine appears to be late 30's, or early 40's. I'm missing all hold down screws, mike, I have a broken wafer switch, and it's a general mess. This model does use an eye tube, missing, but no radio. Bill Cahill

Chad Hauris · #13 07-31-2005, 06:16 PM

We haven't worked with the Airline disc recorder in a while...we did repair all of the trouble sources such as old caps. Radio and playback work ok. We will have to do some more tests on it to check the recording quality again.

Bill R · #14 08-01-2005, 12:26 PM

I have an RCA console radio with a changer/recorder. Inside the door to the radio is a label that says 1941 anniversery editon victrola. It is currently stored at my studio waiting for restoration. It is in good restorable condition, but of course does not work. It will need to be cleaned and completely recapped, and new 5u4 tube. It will also need the cartridges rebuilt as well. One of these days I will find time.
Bill R

VinylHanger · #15 08-01-2005, 10:18 PM

I missed this post the first time around. If I had seen it, I may have mentioned the fact that the title to this post sounds like a really bad porn movie.

Don't mind me, I just have a rare bit of spare time on my hands and nothing to do.